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Teen Wolf S04E01: "The Dark Moon"

Hi, how was your Spring? If it was anything like mine it was just a straight-up garbage existence. I can't even count the number of dumpsters I fell asleep in or the number of discarded, half-eaten burritos I consumed. Twelve? One hundred thousand? It was a bad time, to be honest. My only friends were seagulls. And my enemies? Also seagulls. Do you know what it's like to wake up covered in slime and not know whether you'd been haunted by a ghost in the night or if you just have a serious medical problem? I do. But I will be honest with you right here and right now. All my bad times can be traced to one thing and one thing alone: Teen Wolf was on hiatus. I think we can all agree that without new episodes of Teen Wolf to watch and discuss, life is trash. What is even the point of it? Anyway, I'm pleased to report that those dark times have passed and I am currently sitting in my condo wearing a white fur pashmina sipping champagne out of a geode. Because Teen Wolf is BACK and life is BETTER now.

I am nearly 451 years old, for reasons that are a whole story in itself and I frankly don't have the energy to get into it at the moment. (A curse is involved.) But believe me when I say I've been around for a while now and I recognize certain patterns in not only pop culture but in human culture. What happens is people fall in love with a piece of art or entertainment, demand more of it, and then grow tired of it. The weariness with a work of entertainment can be traced to one of two reasons: It changed too much over time or it didn't change enough. I am here to tell you that all GOOD works of entertainment need to grow and change, and for the viewer to cling to a first impression out of some kind of nostalgia is not only misguided, it's a shame. You are really missing out! It's one thing to reminisce about the old days, but to outright reject new things because you miss the olden times is a depressing form of nihilism. To put this in more specific Teen Wolf terms, MALIA IS AMAZING. 

But yeah, in a general sense, my favorite kind of person is one who loves new things. Right off the bat, "The Dark Moon" felt new, different, larger in scope, but fundamentally consistent with what we know Teen Wolf to be. Giving each season a different international spin is a fantastic idea, and while Allison (and Isaac!) will never be replaced, the newer characters have so much to add to the lore that is this beautiful, frightening, shirtless monster saga. So that's all I wanted to say. Let's appreciate the old but have fun with the new. Because "The Dark Moon" was a VERY fun prologue to what's looking like a very entertaining new chapter. 

Let's talk about it!

I don't know why anybody would want to build a small Mexican town on top of a forbidding, untraversable mesa, let alone a CGI town, but here we were! (You could tell it was Mexico because everything was yellow.)

Stiles and Lydia were clearly on a mission, so that's why they talked about being on a mission for a few minutes. I think maybe they sat in silence on the cab ride over because they wanted to present a unified front to the driver, but now that they were out in the open on the streets of Mexico (which also looked a lot like the streets of Mexico of Arrested Development) they could openly question each others' instincts.

Anyway, then night fell and they did something very unrealistic: They walked right by a street hot dog vendor and didn't even buy a delicious dog! Ugh, guys, come on. But then they gained entry to a secret underground club by showing this thing to the security camera:

And they were in!

It was just your typical underground Mexican dance club in an otherwise destitute-looking, semi-abandoned CGI Mesa town. And it was BANGIN.

Yep, Mexico or not, this was still definitely Teen Wolf!

Then the bartender gave the kids free shots but they didn't shoot them? Very rude. Anyway, then one of those Mexican hunters came and found them and brought them to their mother, who I guess is Mexico's answer to Mama Fratelli from The Goonies. That's when they all got down to business.

That's when we found out they were there to FIND DEREK. And they would buy him back if they could! But here's the thing: Mexican Mama Fratelli did NOT want to sell Derek to Stiles, not for 50 G's of Yakuza money, not for NOTHING. 

And that's when Stiles had to threaten her with brute force. Well, BRUTES force, plural. And then we got the superhero roll call of my dreams! All the other canine monsters were up in the club dancing and posing for the camera in powerful stances!

Ugh, so good. When it comes to superhero stories, the only thing better than a team standing in tableau is the roll call introduction. So this was perfect. (Also hi, Malia, you look perfect.)

OH and if that roll call wasn't enough for you, check out the brand new roll call credits! (But spoiler alert?)

Also Malia and Kira are both in the credits now, and Scott no longer levitates like a Jesus Werewolf. 

Also Jeff Davis' card has a cactus on it so I guess this season will officially have muy caliente Southwest flava?

This part was as charming as it was very gratuitous!

Just two female hotties trying to blend in and stay low-profile by grinding up on each other in the club. (I love the girl behind them giving them the side-eye.) And you know what? It's only fair that we get some female homoeroticism for once. I'm not even mad. But all vaguely bisexual moments have to come to an end and in this case it ended when two armed brutes attacked the ladies! Luckily they were ready.

Oh gosh, Kira's glowstick nunchuks were really funny to me. I couldn't decide if this part was hilarious or awesome, and that's why this show is so special. 

But then the trio went to go look for Stiles and Lydia and ran into trouble!

That's when they all got captured! Also at this point Scott realized that the Mexican Fratellis probably didn't even HAVE Derek, so what was even going on anymore?

Rhetorical question, because it was suddenly flashback time for some reason:

They were at the vet's office and Scott wanted to know if Derek was dead so he made Lydia hold all the bullet casings from when the hunters (and then a were-jaguar) invaded Derek's loft:

But of course Lydia didn't know anything. Just that he wasn't dead. But also might not be alive. Which, I guess that was true? But still, get better at this stuff, banshee woman. Anyway, then Scott looked at the skull logo on the bullets and decided they needed to go to Mexico. Why didn't he decide that earlier? It had been like two months since Derek's disappearance. Were they waiting for Labor day or something? Nobody knows, and nobody will ever know.

Then Scott woke up from his gassing:

Did I mention I really love Malia? Obviously much of that is Shelley Hennig related (The Secret Circle was so great, guys), but also her characterization here is way better than I imagined. She's this weird combination of naive new girl slash audience surrogate but also borderline FERAL. 

Like, in this scene she didn't understand why they wouldn't just leave a captured Lydia behind. And Malia even admitted that if she were still a coyote she'd consider straight-up eating Lydia before abandoning her. SO FUNNY. I mean, she spent what, ten years as a wild animal in the woods? I really hope we get to see more hints of that. Like, yeah, as a human Malia is gorgeous and clever, but it's such a funny backstory that she used to be a full-time COYOTE and I hope this season plays with this joke way more. Also, it should be pointed out that she and Stiles have really good chemistry. After she admitted she'd eat Lydia, his line "this is actually progress" legit cracked me up. 

In this scene Mexican Mama Fratelli decided to test Lydia's banshee powers and see if she could predict an imminent death:

But of course she couldn't. Lydia's powers are as random as possible. I'm sure they'll shift or get better this season, but for now they're basically just theoretical.

Um, not going to lie, this whole scene made no sense to me:

Like, okay, the Mexican Fratellis might be jerks but they're ostensibly good guys, right? Most hunters are, even human Kate Argent had a plausible wish to protect humans from monsters. So I'm not sure I understood why this woman was straight-up torturing innocent teenagers (whom she knew to be on the up and up, and who really HAD been trying to find their friend) just to make a point about Kate still being alive. I guess it was a test to see if Scott was a murderer or something? But then why involve Lydia or Kira? I guess to see if he was heroic enough to prevent them from being harmed? I don't know, it seems like a major violation of the Hunters' code for Mexican Mama Fratelli to be endangering non-werewolves. And again, couldn't she have just told him that Kate was alive? I'm pretty sure he would have believed her. Scott believes most things. But anyway, here he was in his tank top gripping an Ikea chair and getting shocked a ton.

Meanwhile in the bathroom Malia was trying to listen in on the carnage but she couldn't concentrate so Stiles helped her out.

So I guess making out with Stiles has the same effect as, like, banging a radio and getting better reception, so suddenly she could hear, but none of it really made all that much sense to her. 

Meanwhile Scott was telling Kira it was okay to shock him with the machine. They were making her use the knobs because electricity wouldn't hurt her, but shocking her boyfriend would. Or something. Again, this is the kind of scene that might make sense by reverse-engineering everybody's intentions but in the broadest sense I had no real idea why any of it was happening.

And that's when Scott started having flashbacks about Kate and then he realized she must've changed into a were-creature instead of dying. I mean, Mexican Mama Fratelli already knew this, but now Scott knew this too. And also WE knew this because then the camera cut to Aunt Kate looking like a creep in a dark place:

Oh and she had Derek locked away in a tomb or something:

So yeah! I don't know! Sorry, don't ask me. All I know is, after this small bit of horrible torture, everything was suddenly very chill:

Except Mexican Mama Fratelli warned Scott that if he ever murdered anybody she would come up to Beacon Hills and literally kick his butt. Scott was like, duh.

Then guess who showed up? Braeden, the lady mercenary who once rescued Isaac, which earns her a permanent place in all our hearts. Anyway, Mexican Mama Fratelli hired her to take the kids to find Kate and, I guess, kill her? Also to rescue Derek. 

So they were off!

But again, because Malia had spent most of her life as a full-time coyote, she had tons of questions about this Kate Argent character.

Luckily we got tons of flashbacks from Season 1 (including Peter Hale as a CGI werewolf, my favorite kind) but also some new scenes of the Mexican Fratellis retrieving Kate's body from the morgue and watching her come alive again, and then offering her the customary suicide that all turning-hunters must undertake. (Remember Mrs. Argent? Just kidding, she is literally unforgettable.) But Kate didn't go out like no chump!

She faked suicide and then escaped, killing her own brethren on the way out! Way harsh, Aunt Kate.

Meanwhile the desert caravan hit a snag when Stiles' Jeep had issues.

Somebody had thrown an ivory dagger at it? Or was that a dinosaur tooth? Not our business. But the Jeep was broken and Stiles suddenly had to pop the hood and take everything apart for some reason.

But Braeden was in a hurry to get to Kate's lair before sundown so Scott volunteered to go on alone. But before he left Kira got all emotional and hugged him goodbye.

AWKWARD. Guess Scott and Kira haven't really been dating for the past two months? Later on Braeden asks him about it and he shrugs it off like what a silly question. Him and Kira? Pshht. Okay, show.

Here was this brokedown church that was built on an Aztec temple devoted to were-jaguars. OBVIOUSLY.

In my opinion this was a frightening location. 

Speaking of frightening, the two canine ladies stood watch while Stiles tore apart his Jeep and almost immediately they sensed trouble in the area.

So Kira used some quick thinking to shine a little bit of razzle dazzle onto the surrounding rocks:

And without missing a beat Malia straight up CHASED that mysterious figure! At that point Kira ran after her and waved around her sword and Malia snuck up behind her (a cool thing to do when someone is waving around a samurai sword all frightened) and was wounded but ok. Whatever the thing was had gotten away. Meanwhile Stiles was NOT happy about Malia's instincts.

This was a cute moment when Stiles assumed Malia might've just simply ran away from them forever, but she insisted she would never leave him. She'd leave the other girls, sure, but not Stiles. SAME. 

Look at this little fella:

So cute!

So then Braeden and Scott entered an underground catacomb and almost immediately a shadowy monster that looked to be wearing Predator drag started rustling and coming toward them:

But that wasn't the ONLY frightening thing in this scene. Look out behind you!

Ugh, skeletons are the biggest creeps, always and forever. If it were up to me I would NOT let a skeleton hang out inside my body all the time. I hope future scientists can work on this issue.

Anyway, then Scott realized the only way to keep this creature away from them was to shout at it!

And it worked! But also some walls caved in and Braeden's ears were ringing.

But it led them directly to a wall with a were-jaguar on it, so Scott immediately knew Derek was buried behind it.

And they busted him out! But something was wrong, at least according to the looks on their faces. And soon we discovered what it was:

Derek was a TEEN again! WHAT THE? That is a werewolf ability I was not aware of. Yes, I know they can turn into animals and sometimes CGI monsters or maybe even lizards, and yes, they can use moon voodoo to come back to life, but I was NOT aware of this return-to-twinkery thing. Why wouldn't they ALL do this?  I don't know. But I guess Kate Argent has a thing for young boys. It was not explained how often she'd been licking Derek's abs over the previous two months, but my guess is she might be a real creep if she'd been licking Teen Derek's abs also. Aunt Kate is truly a weirdo.

So that was "The Dark Moon," which was a term used to describe a time of contemplation or sadness but then the episode was just sort of crazy and fun. Title was not accurate in my opinion. Episode title, I mean. The show title is still pretty accurate. Teen Wolves, even more than before! I liked this episode. It was hard to feel TOO crazy passionate about it, because, again, it was merely a prologue to the Beacon Hills drama to follow. But as a one-off excursion to a new locale and an introduction to new concepts and characters it was a very fun and intriguing beginning. I miss the parents, I miss the bedrooms, and classrooms, and dear gosh, I miss lacrosse. But those are coming! This was a mere appetizer. And I very much liked it. Ugh, so happy it's back. Teen Wolf forever.


QUESTIONS

... Should Derek stay a teen and re-enroll in high school?

... How should Lydia's powers improve? 

... How much do you like Malia?

... How do you think Isaac spent his summer?



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AIRED ON 3/8/2016

Season 5 : Episode 20

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Totally forgot to mention my theory on Derek and Kate's intentions. I'm thinking she was trying to change him into a were-jaguar or something. I'm not sure if she is an alpha or if it's possible, but I'm wondering if she used that magical were-jaguar temple she might be able to alter his shift into a were-jaguar rather than a wolf and maybe have more control over him. I don't know if she still has some weird crush on him or something, which fair enough he is hot, but I still am not sure why he reverted to a teenager. Also how friggin old is Kate, I want to know, because it seems like she very well was "with" Derek illegally the first time around, when she killed his family.
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Ok so firstly let me just state my concerns over the lack of Derek in the opening credits. Unless my brain spaced out, I don't like that he isn't there. It makes me very nervous about his life expectancy. That being said I do like young Derek, I am just gonna miss the baby blues of Tyler and I will want him back quickly. Overall the episode was blah, standard first episode. I loved the "Hills Have Eyes" moment where they were trapped out there in the middle of nowhere. I'm assuming we are gonna finally get our berserkers. I do hope they don't drag out the Kira and Scott thing, they need to either get together or not, the stares will get old fast. That mushy relationship drama was why I didn't like Allison, I don't want them to ruin Kira's character with it. That being said I have faith in TW and last season Allison was great. As for Malia I thought I would hate her, but I actually lover her so much, she is awesome. Braedon I'm not sure about, I can foresee an attempted relationship between her and adult Derek coming, but I'm already not interested in it. She seemed like a badass before when she saved Isaac, but since than every time I see her I'm like errr... blah, I just don't know how I feel about her.
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I'm surprised to say this given her first episodes didn't stand out to me...but I'm loving Malia. Everything she says is truthful and hilarious at the same time. She's my new favorite character--and if she helps Stiles finally have some reciprocated hanky panky I'm all for it! (Yes I used the word hanky panky--I'm old like that)
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I would like to point out, the "Mexican Town" in the beginning shots of the episode is actually Acoma Pueblo, New Mexico. It is not CGI. Here is the location via Google Maps - http://goo.gl/HTmpMn
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I LOVE Teen Wolf, and was so looking forward to Season 4.
A less-screwed up (but still damaged) Stiles!
The gross and scary Mummy Guy gone!
Evil Twin Stiles finally vanquished!

More than anything, though, I wanted to see how all the characters were going to respond to Allison's death. Sure, Scott appeared extremely torn up about it in the moment, but I wanted to see more of Lydia and Stiles' feelings on her death. Oh well, maybe it's all still coming...as S4 heats up.

"The Dark Moon" didn't feel very Teen Wolf-like, to me, overall. When they opened the episode in Mexico, I was a bit confused. It made more sense when Scott finally flashed back to the conversation with Stiles and Lydia; but I was still confused. Maybe I'm just too used to the show being set in the dark, woodsy area of Beacon Hills. (side note: I cannot believe that the fictional "Beacon Hills" is located in CA. It's dark and/or cloudy almost all the time! When I was first getting into the show, I legitimately thought they were in Oregon, or Washington...suspension of disbelief; but still. Anyway, I digress.)

I like Malia (Stiles may finally end up with a girlfriend!! YAY!!) but I'm not a fan of Kira yet. I didn't mind her last season, but now with Allison gone, I feel like they're pushing Scott and Kira together too quickly. Part of my skepticism though, comes from the fact that Kira is not Allison...I admit it. I really liked Allison; she was strong, and brave, and skilled. And Kira, so far, just seems to be skilled (the nunchuk scene! Now that was funny. :) but maybe her character's still developing. I'll give the writers the benefit of the doubt, for now.
Even though this episode felt a little off, I can't wait to see where the rest of the season is headed. Maybe Stiles will finally get back to his old self completely. I don't know if he's simply matured, or whatever, but I miss his constant quips, and one-liners. They're still there, but not as much as they used to be.
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Love Malia! Love Kira! Love. . . every freakin' character in the show! (even the scary granny hunter) :)
We know Derek won't stay a kid (seen him in the promo as a grown up smooching Breaden and doing other grown up staff) ;)
Love love loved the episode! Can't wait to see more!


. . . . . . . Is it just me or do weeks really go by annoyingly slowly during teen wolf season?
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Here's why I'm afraid Teen Wolf has shot itself in the foot- the writers have no vision. Season 3 was probably the best so far, and yet left the audience with a ton of unanswered questions.

First and foremost, the one thing still on everyone's mind is how in the world are these characters not more affected by the death of a major character last season? Crystal Reed requested to be written off, which is fine, but killing her character abruptly instead of leaving it open for her to return or still be part of the story is a major mistake and a TREMENDOUS waste of past character/story development. The whole point of Allison's character was to be that female catalyst between between the supernatural characters and the normal characters. She didn't need to be supernatural to fit into the world and be badass, which was the show's medium. But now they've desperately made an attempt to replace her with two incredibly weak female characters with supernatural powers. I'm sorry, but it's just not working. The show's formula is now unbalanced. The characters almost felt awkward around each other, and the acting was horrendous compared to past episodes. I'm sorry, but Malia's character is completely ridiculous. Why is she a main character? What has she done to early their trust, besides be mildly hot? It's just a stupid form of character replacement.

I'm well into college now, but have been avidly watching this show since High School because it was witty , clever, and focused on more adult themed aspects, but now I'm not so sure. It feels like a teeny-bopper show. I know it's only been one episode, but in my mind, this show has now lost all of it's meaning. My hopes/best advice for this show, find a way to counter balance the supernatural again. Even if that means talking Crystal into returning as Allison as a guest star in a later season. Hey, it's possible people, I mean her crazy aunt that nobody likes returned after having her throat ripped out two seasons ago.
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I too mourn the loss of Allison. She was a great character that we saw develop over time. I always sensed that the writers put time and effort into making her a unique and multi-layered character. And Crystal Reed did a great job portraying her.

Sadly, I'm not getting that sense with Malia. As I've said elsewhere, Malia is basically a Mary Sue (poorly-developed female character dropped into the story to be a love interest of the writer/creator's favorite character, will be loved and accepted by all of the other characters and will be special in many ways, all in spite of having no real character development if the writing of her character in 3B and S4E1 are any examples). She (along with Cora) are also meant to be female versions of Derek so that Jeff Davis can try to capitalize on Sterek chemistry while still safely keeping Stiles with a straight white girl.

All of which is frustrating, because we know from some of the earlier story arcs and characters that the writing for this show CAN be very good. But JD is being lazy with Malia.

Kira, at least, has been introduced more slowly and I appreciated that during the first part of her S3 arc, though I'm not happy with how quickly she's come into her own with her special powers. Honestly, I'd prefer if she had no special powers and was instead an ordinary human being whose awesomeness would develop naturally as a result of learning and growing and making hard decisions. But I guess Kira will be just another super-special being. It's too bad, because I think she has potential but they're rushing her a bit, too. Not as badly as they're rushing Malia, who so far has been a complete mess AFAIC, but JD clearly isn't bringing the care and effort into developing his characters that he used to.
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I think the writing was off, more than bad acting.

There are 4 spots where I felt the writing just let us down.

The first was the scene when Lydia and Stiles was talking to Mama Fratelli (sorry I can't help calling her that). When he said they were there because they didn''t like to lose. That line should have been "because they don't turn their backs on a friend". After Dereks big speech to the twins about scott doing anything for his friends, I'm disappointed that they messed that up so bad. (Jeff Davis, I hope you read this)

The 2nd was the whole debacle that was Scott and Kira, after the jeep broke down. How about cut most of the dialogue and just have her give him a hug. (I thought this was the worst part of the episode)

3rd was the line between Stiles and Malia about her running. Not sure how they could have written it probably should have shown him being worried and her not running off by herself.

4th--I hated the dialogue in the cave between Braeden and Scott. They hardly know each other but she is commenting on his love life. If anything as they go into the temple, maybe I would have had Braeden say, I bet you wish you would have kissed your girlfriend now, and Scott says she is not my girlfriend and then he catches a scent and says we aren't alone.

Really honestly sometimes, I think Jeff isn't paying attention to what he has written before. He has all this teen wolf rolling around in his head, he needs to realize that probably changing 4 lines in my opinion would have take episode 1 from good to really good for me.
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I do agree with you on the writing, completely. It's just so upsetting because this show is becoming your typical teenager supernatural soap-opera. Jeff Davis had something great going up until the last few episodes of season 3. Now it just feels like he's grasping at straws to make the show work again. The characters feel stale because the writers have given them nothing to work off of. With Malia's background and the huge deaths that happened last season, they should have plenty to work with. First of all, they would not be over the death of their friend in just two months. There is so much these characters can talk about and explore in both mourning their fallen pack members and the addition of two new characters. Instead they're too focused on writing what they "think" fans want. In reality, they're just scaring off their older audiences. As a studying, aspiring screen writer, I've done my share of hair tearing out and endless revisions, but it doesn't take a genius to know that this show is one step away from "jumping the shark" for me. I know the producers go through to see what fans think, so I really hope they can read what were all frustrated about.
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--I don't like the whole young Derek thing cause it's just gonna make him more messed up and the poor man needs a break already.
--Lydia's powers will hopefully improve with the help of her friends & there is going to be an episode with Jackson coming back so maybe he might help with that.
--Malia is an odd character cause of her background & also she's Peter's daughter so she might have some unwanted traits there. It's gonna take some time to get used to her as she also adjusts to normal life. The twins weren't liked at the beginning of season 3 cause of their involvement with the alpha pack but they managed to redeem themselves.
--Isaac spent his summer in mourning and he probably tracked down Jackson to tell him about Allison & to visit Lydia & the others.
--Also I have to say I am a Sterek shipper & I don't care what others say. But besides Lydia he had to give mouth to mouth to Cora when she was in the ambulance & said "The next time I do that you better be awake." So he must've had a crush or something. Then he was all interested in Derek's background with the nemeton & Paige and no one questioned that. Now he's with Malia who is a Hale. Maybe he's getting a little closer to his goal cause she reminds me of Derek.
--The other thing I noticed is that two of the themes from fan-fictions have been used. Demon Stiles last season & now de-aged Derek this season. So fingers crossed.
--Finally I think the image is of Stiles & Lydia because the hair looks redder & in these pics you can see Lydia is wearing the same outfit. Especially the jacket I don't think Malia would wear anything like that anyways it's definitely more Lydia's style.
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Unfortunately, Cora and Malia are both just attempts on Jeff Davis' part to recreate Sterek chemistry but still keep Stiles with a straight white female. It's weak, and I think it's cowardly. If JD doesn't want to go there with Sterek, fine. But if he wants to keep Stiles with a straight white female, he could at least make the effort to write an original character instead of just plopping his female versions of Derek into the plot and expecting everyone to love the idea of them. At least be original. But JD is taking the lazy way.

It's unfortunate, because this is a good show and in the past has been great. It still has potential (whether or not they make Sterek canon). But it's potential won't be realized if JD keeps giving us Mary Sues.
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looool recreate sterek chemistry.That is so funny how you people ship straight males together. Now imagine this a lesbian woman and a straight male are best friends. If it wasnt that she was a a lesbian they would probably be together. Now you have stiles and derek who both like women. plus who probably wouldnt even talk to one another if it wasnt for scott. Sterek is beyond ridiculous. The most bizarre thing about it is that not even one of them is gay then maybe you would have a leg to stand on. I dont know if youre gay so its making you biased or whether youre a woman and fancy both or them together. I suppose youre entiled to your opinion. stiles is just a great charachter he has that witty sarcastic banter with nearly everyone. Issac,derek and peter.
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Stiles is bi. Jeff Davis has said it on multiple times. Stiles has asked during most of the first season if he was attractive to gay guys. During season 3 when the sacrifices were of virgins this conversation happened:
Stiles: And you know who else is a virgin? Me. I'm a virgin, okay? And you know what that means? It means that my lack of sexual experience is now literally a threat to my life. Okay, I need to have sex, like, right now. Someone needs to have sex with me, like, today. Like, someone needs to sex me right now!
Danny: [At the locker next to them] All right, I'll do it.
Stiles: What?
Danny: Come to my place at 9:00. Plan to stay the night. I like to cuddle.
Stiles: Oh. That was so sweet. Are you kidding?
Danny: Yes, I'm kidding.
Stiles: Okay, you know, you don't toy with a guy's emotions like that, Danny.
Seems to me like Stiles was fully interested & a straight guy wouldn't be.
Also when they had the rave in 3B & he was talking/making out with Caitlin: There's a director's cut. http://youtu.be/NYN6GzM4KP0
But I think that's good enough for Stiles for Derek you don't know what he could have done in New York all those years before coming back to Beacon Hills & I doubt he would come out straight away since people still talk about him & his family. Or it could also be because his record with women isn't very well so he's probably hesitant to explore a new side. His first love Paige died in his arms when he thought he was helping her, Kate manipulated him & killed almost his entire family and Jennifer turned out to be an evil creature wanting to kill him, his friends & almost killed Cora. And he basically was with her because he was lonely. Finally in 3A ep 21 when they had the chess pieces with everyone's names on them why did Stiles put Derek's name as the King's after he was the dark knight. I have more points but that's enough for now.
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Okay, it's not letting me answer your other response so I'll try to answer it here.

1 - Just because Derek has only been shown with women, that doesn't mean he can't be bisexual. To think so would show a lack of understanding of the complexity of human sexuality. You claim that there've been hundreds of guys walking around shirtless in Beacon Hills and Derek hasn't been interested, but we haven't seen that. You're confusing the show with something that seems to be going on in your head.

2 - I'm not saying Derek is bi. I don't have any idea whether he's supposed to be or not. I'm just not excluding the possibility.

3 - I don't expect the show will actually make Sterek canon. Frankly, I don't think they have the courage to. And if they did, they'd probably screw it up.

4 - I maintain that Cora and especially Malia are meant to be safe white heterosexual females that Jeff Davis created in order to try to recreate Sterek chemistry. I don't think it succeeds, but I think it's what he's trying to do.



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welll when this imaginary fantasy of yours happens reply to me and tell me "i told you so" as of right now actual facts are what youre missing.
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This isn't about whether I ship Sterek. It's about the fact that Jeff Davis knows there are a lot of fans who DO. And he's trying to tap into that chemistry by coming up with a female character who's basically a stand-in for Derek in her scenes with Stiles.

1 - She's a Hale
2 - She's snarky with him
3 - Early on, she's even borderline abusive towards him, punching him at Eichen House
4 - She's a werewolf

You certainly don't have to ship Sterek to see how Malia (and Cora before her) are written as if Davis wants to make Stalia (and Stora) a version of Sterek that would be more acceptable to the homophobic elements of the audience.

Also, Stiles isn't a straight male. He's bi. Jeff Davis has said on multiple occasions that he envisions Stiles as bi. And we don't really know whether Derek is or isn't bi. Just because it hasn't been shown, that doesn't exclude the possibility.

But anyway, it's not about whether I ship them. It's about what Jeff Davis is doing with Malia. She's a poorly-rewritten female version of Cora who was only meant to be a girl substitute of Derek.


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"And we don't really know whether Derek is or isn't bi. Just because it hasn't been shown, that doesn't exclude the possibility"

1 derek has been with paige
2. derek has been with kate
3 derek has been with jennifer
4. 100s of straight and gay guys running around with tops off in beacon hills. derek has no interest. Im sure we can say he is 100% straight.

Lets just say stiles is bi or gay there are atleast ten guys i would say he would be with before derek.

cora poor substitute for derek? you are aware stiles likes nearly every girl he has been around. I know stiles was the virgin before but to be honest he has had more action than scott. he kisses childhood girl friend. He got kissed by lydia (may not count) he kissed the lesbian girl. He sleeps with malia.

seems like you see what you want to see.
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There are many characters I dislike but there are very few I truly hate... And Kate Argent is one of those. I hope she dies, for good this time.

And if Jennifer comes back... I'll be done with this show.
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  • Baby Derek has his own sex appeal, but I like my Derek tall, brooding, muscly, and with killer scruff. The turn of events with Baby Derek has intrigued me though, so I'm okay with this development for however long it'll last until Grumpy Cat Derek is back shirtless hugging Braeden.
  • I think Lydia needs to be cut some slack. Chica didn't even know what she was until a deranged Daruch told her before attempting to slice her throat open. Unlike the werewolves (or other shapeshifters) she has no one like her to teach her the ropes, and the other half of Team Human Brain hasn't investigated Banshee-ism because he tends to be occupied with bigger more dire issues. I think Lydia has done remarkably well given her ignorance on the subject, and I look forward to them maybe exploring that more now that she isn't occupied with shirtless hunks and girl time with Allison. R.I.P babe. Miss you!
  • I don't not like Malia, but I'm not as caught up in the hype around her either. My problem with Malia is the truly insane backstory they gave he knowing good and damn well that they will never make the time to adequately and properly explore it. It's Teen Wolf, obviously a girl has to suspend belief to the max, but even though I'm watching batsh!t insanity that's highly implausible they still make it feel like it's possible 80% of the time. But I can't...I can't get beyond the fact that Malia is a teenager who spent eight years of her life in the form of a mother fudging coyote. Intellectually, socially, mentally she should be a freaking 8 year old. She should have the mental capacity of an 8 year old. 2 months of chilling with Stiles will not make up for the fact that she should have the mental capacity of an 8 year old. Honestly, the two month jump annoyed me and don't even get me started on the Stalia thing. If she didn't have the history that she had I wouldn't mind that my boy Stiles finally has a girl who is into him...and I don't deny that they have a nice chemistry, but when I see them together (especially when she has this overtly sexual way of carrying herself) I keep thinking about her being emotionally 8. So now we're supposed to go along with the fact that this girl with her background is in high school with them (special ed or not...get real!) and she wavers back and forth between being socially inept and socially normal (enough to help poor awkward Kira be less awkward). You can't give a character that type of backstory, seriously jump the gun by prematurely making her a series regular (because if she was recurring it would have been more acceptable for us that her development happened offscreen), and give us funny throwaway lines to remind us of her condition rather than doing the work and showing the journey. In the premiere it felt like her stuff was glossed over like they plan on her stuff being glossed over from here on out which is insanity. She went from an 8 yr old coyote to a super sexy, relatively stable teenager and then they threw her in a relationship with Stiles to boot. It feels like they're more interested in her being Stiles gf/friend/person than her standing out as her own character. It doesn't help that she has the feral and feisty quality of Cora and Erica who were presumably meant to be love interests for Stiles as well, and the impulsiveness and temperament of Derek, and sex appeal of Lydia (to appeased the fans who ship him with those two perhaps? I don't know). I can suspend my belief a great deal...but I'm really having a hard time swallowing all the stuff around Malia. I love Shelley, her character here though...the writing frustrates me and I don't want it to. I want to enjoy Malia, I don't dislike her because the issues I have with her character have nothing to do with Shelley or the idea of Malia...I just hate some of the writing around her. I think they shoehorned her in too. The feral, impulsive were-coyote whose obviously about self preservation doesn't really feel right being in Scott's pack where they're all about friendship and loyalty etc. I know the lines about her abandoning the others etc or charging into action doing her own thing were supposed to be funny, cool, or badass but they didn't do it for me. I kept thinking that she's more of a liability than an asset. But I did like her interaction with Kira.
  • Father/Son time with Papa Argent only to be truly confuzzled when Chris up and abandoned a grieving orphan teenage werewolf with abandonment issues behind. Maybe he's modeling somewhere. Reinventing himself as a witch and moving to Nawlins. I love Issac. Wherever he is may he be happy.
-Malia is knowledgeable enough to know how to grind in a club isn't she? WIth all that pelvic thrusting a new sapphic ship is born. Mira. Kalia.
-I know most are stoked about Malia and all but can we talk about Braeden? That girl is hella badass. I love her in all her motorcycle-riding, leather wearing glory. I read another review elsewhere where the reviewer didn't even bother mentioning her and when asked about it she said that Braeden was simply uninteresting and not relevant and has done nothing worth noting....Ummm...sure lady. Now Braeden has a backstory I'd be interested in seeing. There's a story behind a teen/young adult supernatural mercenary/retrieval specialist whose signature line is "get behind me". Sweetie....you jump in front of werewolves to protect them like you're something more than human. I mean, how badass is that? Not to mention her weaponry. Girl has a kickass arsenal. She makes me think of how Jenny Mills (from Sleepy Hollow) would have been at that age and I love it. I'd love to know her connection to the Hales and Scott and how she knows everything about all of them and no one knows anything about her including who she really works for. More Braeden. Please.
-Baby gringos in Mexico. Baby Gringos in Mexico!! I hope they had a buddy system and remember to hold hands. Hold hands with you buddy!!! Seriously how did they (especially Malia whose adopted father just got her back etc and I imagine wouldn't let her out of his sight) manage to sneak off to Mexico? And more importantly, does this mean that Mama McCall and Sheriff Stilinski finally had a date night with the boys gone? I ship it. Hard. So what.
-The Mexican Argents are scary as hell.
- I'm not all that excited about Kate returning. I never cared for her, and if I have to be perfectly honest (and I hate saying it because I try not to judge actors for their roles but in this case it's true) Jill Wagner irritates the hell out of me. No surprise that sociopathic Kate didn't follow the code. I mean, did she ever? This were-jaguar business is coocoo and it weirds me out that whatever mojo she put on Derek...she transformed back to the age he probably was when he first met her. I really hope she wasn't licking his abs while she was doing it.
-"Whats the shape for sociopathic Bitch?" was the line of the night. Love Lydia and her sass.
- This premiere was pretty much filler...it didn't give us much to work with. I almost wished it was an hour and a half just so that we could have had more pizzazz because it didn't really pick up until the end and then of course it was over.
-I loved the supernatural roll call so much! All the supes and their gorgeous glowing eyes being all hot and stuff. These kids are so cute.
-I loved Stiles and Lydia's part in the beginning. I mean they walked in their with a confidence that only comes after you've seen some twisted up ish. Like these kids have seen some things....some serious things, and they seem so indifferent to it all now. Throwing 50g's down and staring down hunters like they don't give a single eff.

PRICE RECAPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love them. Missed them. Gotta get back here more this summer.
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I love this post. You highlight a lot of the things that bug me about Malia - things that I think are relevant to her story and her place in the show, but that we're apparently supposed to ignore. I don't hate the character or the actress, but I hate the fact that I'm apparently expected to become a "Little Coyote" (the actress' name for her fans) even while the writing for her is inconsistent and lazy.
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Aw! Thanks babe! Yeah...I can can overlook things, obviously I'm watching a supernatural show and TW is notorious for its plotholes and inconsistencies, but they were ambitious with what they gave her and so far they haven't exactly followed through with accommodating that ambitious background of hers and it doesn't feel like they will. They jumped the gun with feeding her to us and it feels like they spent a great deal of time telling us that we'll love her to compensate for the fact that they thrust a new character with a very complex story behind her in the mix rather abruptly and taking the time to flesh her out. Making Malia a series regular would have been the equivalent of making Braeden a series regular...great character, limited buildup or development but here you go. It just doesn't really sit right with me, personally it's nothing against the idea of the character or Shelley, but the writing is mind-boggling at best.
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I forgot this in the post below, but it is a question I often wonder about when reading posts and I've tried to make the point before.

Well first, they do need to get some follow through on Malia's character, if they do, I think maybe people will be a little more open to her.

Now back to what I was saying. Would you rather tw be a 12 episode series that moves along quickly but may leave some plot holes for us to fill in on our own (like the conversation between the kids and the parents about going to mexico, that the first 10 minutes of the show as it is) or a 23 episode season that sort of drags on and makes us feel stupid because we are told and shown every little detail.

I've got to say, I did not start becoming a fan of the 12 episode/ or short seasons until I started watching some of the British series, Torchwood, and then the original Being Human. They tended to move along get to the point, and then start another arch and I found them to be great. I would compare that to say Supernatural which I love, but I just can't set through the entire season, there are at least 6-7 episodes a season that I just don't think are there but to fill in episodes and I really think it takes away from the storyline.

So my feeling, not saying it has to be everyone's feeling, is that sometimes we are left with some "plot holes" because Jeff and the rest just don't think its important enough to add episodes overall. And we can use our imagination.

I will say though, I would have cut half the scene under the church for a flashback of Scott or Stiles or both telling their parents what they were doing. Since I have watched it several times now, I would have put that in right after the opening scene of Lydia and Stiles talking, maybe have Stiles say, you sound just like my dad, then flashback, and then come into the scene where they are going into the club.
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Oh I completely agree with that wolfanatic. If they do the follow through with her character I'm sure some of the people who haven't received Malia in the premiere that well, would be fine. I mean, I know I will. I don't have an issue with the idea of her as a character at all. If/when the writing gets there for her, I'll be content. Shelley is great, she fits in well with the cast, she's more than capable of pulling off this character and personally I'm not caught up in the "shipping wars" so that aspect of things doesn't faze me like it may for a faction of the fandom.

Basically everything that ChiefWiggums said below. No one is hardly expecting them to bog down a series with unnecessary and inconsequential little moments that don't have any significance to the overall storyline. I can crack a joke here and there about how the kids got to Mexico. Them not mentioning that isn't even considered a plothole. I mean sure they could have did a five second flashback or throwaway line if they wanted too. But there is a huge difference between "How did the kids get to Mexico without consent?" (something that COULD be a throwaway line) and "Oh look Malia is now a relatively adjusted Teen girl who is already part of Scott's pack (something that WAS primarily throwaway lines but shouldn't have been). The first is a rather insignificant detail that you poke fun about but never expect to actually see much of because...time. The last one is a plot hole. Hell, it's a freaking plot crater. The time they spent staring at the were-jaguar temple could have been used to give us a hint of a flashback of Malia over the previous two months. At least it would have been something. Or the pretty long danceclub scenes could have been cut back if they really needed too.

I just feel I shouldn't have to use my imagination about how she developed in the months offscreen. That's ridiculous and asking a lot. That was the most interesting thing about her character. I can use my imagination about what Allison's funeral was like (because Holland said they never did it). I can use my imagination about what Chris Argent was doing in France and why he left Isaac alone there. I can use my imagination about what Peter was doing in the two month time jump. I can use my imagination about the awkwardness between Kira and Scott while they were both grieving in different ways. Hell, I'm still using my imagination about Danny and how he knows about werewolves and the creepiness of Beacon Hills. But asking the audience to use their imagination or blindly accept gaps and plot holes surrounding Malia that is crucial and relevant to her character makeup is lazy writing and they are better and more capable than that.

I watch shows with 12 episode seasons too...although Teen Wolf goes in cycles now and is longer than 12 episodes but around 20 now if I'm not mistaken. You can tell the story right if you edit and do it concisely. She's now a series regular involved with a main character...they could have made the time if they really wanted too, they just didn't. That truly is unforgiving. Her being a series regular implies that they expect her to stick around for a bit, which means they have ample time to really flesh her out...so why not start with showing the most crucial part of her as a character? The part that endeared so many...her being this girl who was formerly a wild animal. Show her transition. Don't tell me about it in funny ways and downplay it. Now, that is in part why I wished it was maybe an hour and a half instead. They could have did 15 minutes giving us a flashback, nothing too fancy...but something, a short montage or something. It's Malia's first official episode as a series regular, it should have been a bit of an introductory episode for her (and it some ways you can tell they meant it to be) but a few minutes at least giving us a glimpse of what her transition was like would have worked. Maybe they'll do it later on, but it should have been upfront in the beginning. Malia's storyline will most likely be one of the bigger ones of the season when she finally connects with Peter so there is no excuse to gloss over aspects of her character that you used to endear the audience to begin with.

And there I go again with another long and redundant post. LOL! Hopefully the episode tonight will be better for me.
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I think TW should be able to do tightly-constructed 12-episode arcs without leaving major plot holes. I don't have a problem with filling in the obvious - for example, that the kids had conversations with their parents about going off to Mexico (or giving them some kind of excuse about where they're actually be). That's no big deal to me. I don't even consider that a plot hole, really. Knowing the characters, I can imagine for myself that Scott and Stiles talked with their parents, and that Lydia probably told her mom she was going somewhere with friends.

I can't imagine what Malia told her dad or anyone else, because the show hasn't bothered to take any effort so far to make Malia consistent enough in character for me to get that kind of read on her. I still don't even know what she was doing in the mental institution last season or how she got out. So how can I fanwank what she may have told her dad?

MAJOR points, like how Malia is socially advanced enough to take along with them, and to get into dirty dancing, and yet in the two months she's been human again since she was eight years old, has not learned that you don't tell part of your "pack" that you'll leave them behind if they're hurt or sick or missing? Those I'm less forgiving of. Especially when it concerns a major character that the show is trying to sell to me.

But I think it also needs to be said that a good writer can do a tightly-constructed 12-episode arc and not leave any plot holes at all. It's a matter of skill and effort, and of respecting your audience enough to think from their side of things about what details they'll need to have seen for a plot to work.
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TBH, I think the speed with which they made Malia a regular is much worse than if they'd done that with Braeden. Braeden, at least, would have come into the story with limited known backstory and the fourth season could have slowly allowed us to know more about her.

Malia, OTOH, is essentially a Mary Sue. And yes, I know the term is thrown about loosely, but look:

a - A Mary Sue tends to be a female love interest for a main character - most often for the writer/creator's FAVORITE character (and Jeff Davis is very fond of Stiles);
b - A Mary Sue tends to be "special". She either has special abilities or she's extremely smart, able to fit in with people (i.e. at the club), or is extremely beautiful and/or exotic looking, and may have an exotic or unusual name;
c - A Mary Sue often has an unexpected relationship to a major family in the show (Hales, anyone?);
d - A Mary Sue usually ends up being loved or admired by all of the other main characters, and if a character doesn't love her, it's portrayed as something wrong with the character who doesn't love her.
e - A Mary Sue tends to be poorly written.

Malia is the very definition of a Mary Sue, and I fully anticipate that within a couple of weeks all of the main characters will accept and adore her. Jeff Davis isn't even trying with her. He just expects everyone to love her. At least if it were Braeden he'd done this with, there's a chance he'd work at making her backstory make some sense.

Unfortunately, none of that will matter, because enough fans of the show will not care that Malia is badly written. They'll just love her the way JD wants them to.
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I would think that its totally possible that getting Shelly on the show may have taken offering a major part, and to be in the credits.
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Ohhh! Yes! Agree!
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Wow. I thought I wrote alot. I agree with most of what you said. I'm not however critical of the Malia storyline. I think were going to be left to just take the leap on this. I think it is crazy to think, her brain did not develop over the time. Not something I'm concerned about though.

I totally agree with the sociopathic bitch comment being the quote of the night.
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LOL! Either you're relatively new, I've been gone longer than I realized, or i'm just that forettable. Probably all three. ;) Hi, I'm bleu, I'm known for long rambly comments/posts, being equal parts sweet and snarky, and analyzing things to the max. Nice to meet you. :)

Yeah taking a leap on that doesn't work for me. It's lazy writing and unacceptable. They wrote themselves into a corner with her backstory so they have an obligation to do it justice. I can take a leap on underage kids going to Mexico unsupervised or a dozen other little inconsistencies and nuances, because it's a supernatural show and fiction of course. But the Malia thing is asking me to suspend my belief too much and not in a necessary way. The psychologist in me can't wrap my head around the human/coyote transformation development. Even if she did develop in that time, which naturally she would have, she developed as a coyote not as a human. She would have missed out on the crucial human development in those childhood development stages that would have contributed to her being more feral but average. That's like saying a child who was kidnapped at eight and kept underground for eight years only seeing their captor will come out of it all being relatively average with a few quirks. Implausible. That's what they did to her character. I'm not expecting them to show much, they can't afford too (which again, is why giving her that backstory thought interesting was a bit too much because they never would have the time to explore it properly as evidenced by her in the premiere). But to gloss over it and only use it as comic relief is a disservice to Malia as a character and the development and potential she has, the potential story that can come out of it, disappointing, and just lazy. They made her a series regular after roughly three episodes. They have the time to tell the story for her, there isn't a rush to immediately force her to be part of Scott's pack when she isn't equipped for it yet, nor push the Stiles and Malia romantic relationship either when a nice friendship could have built up first. If she were just a recurring character then maybe I would have taken the leap because it would have made sense that a lot of her stuff happened offscreen but she isn't so it's not.

Yes. Lydia, God bless her, is so sassy and I love her for it. Plus, I'm just beyond thrilled that they actually refer to Kate as a sociopath because she truly is one, and for some reason most people tend to doubt that women can be sociopathic. I still hate Kate though and really didn't want to see her back.
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Hello, nice to meet you
I tend to rant very and I do not save words but I found it impressive that I mostly agreed with you.

I am rather new on here. I didn't find Price until the end of season 3a, and didn' t start posting until 3b.

I am a teacher and coach, so you can imagine how unrealistic I think some of the writing with the gang at school is sometimes. Especially coach. This is sort of funny but I teach social studies, and in an economics class we were talking about risk reward, and seriously like a week earlier was the episode where coach had them flipping the quarter into the glass. All I could think is I appreciate my job too much.

However, its probably portrayed as what we would like to say and do. I loved the chemistry teacher before he was killed.
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Price recaps are a gem. I started reading them like three years ago maybe? His TW ones are probably my favorite but I followed his The Secret Circle ones and his The Vampire Diaries too. Some lively discussions are often had. It can be a real hoot, and more or less people are passionate but respectful of one another. I've met some pretty cool people over the years. :)

LOL! Ohhh I can only imagine what it's like watching those school scenes as a teacher and a coach! Cringeworthy at times! Awesome timing! Maybe you should have borrowed from them for the risk reward discussion. I can't recall my Economics class being all that fun. To be fair it was taught by a nun, and not one of the fun ones. LOL!

I miss the Chem teacher. He actually felt the most like a high school teacher. I'm friends with a few and he reminded me of them. :)
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There's certainly a lot to be said about this first episode in terms of plot and new characters, but wondering how Isaac spent his summer is definitely my main concern. Was he shedding a manful tear as he turned Allison's ring dagger contemplatively in his hands? Doing vigorous sets of shirtless pull-ups to exorcise the despair of losing another loved one? Nervously boarding an airplane for the first time and staring with childlike awe through the window as the buildings and trees shrank and disappeared behind the clouds? Gradually nodding off, head lolling to the side until it came to rest casually on the shoulder of Chris Argent, who, though surprised, smiled gently and did not shrug him off? Did he wander les rues de Paris, feeling at home around others in fashionable scarves? Meet up with Jackson and update him on all the terrible things, then decide to go to a discotheque - for old times sake - because Erica would want them to - because to dance is to defy death. OR maybe he spent the summer thinking more closely about the new deputy in Beacon Hills...that his face looked a little too familiar...his voice resonant of distant, elusive memories...family memories perhaps...

Or maybe he just walked around in a thin white T-shirt in the rain.


Jesus, the possibilities are endless.
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This was beautiful. Truly beautiful.
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This is one of the most captivating comments I have ever read. Did you ever consider becoming a writer, because that imagery is really nice. Writing is a big part of my job, and I think I recognize talent when I see it, and you got that.

Also, now I want a spin-off show with Isaac and Chris in France, with Jackson as recurring character. Any Erica flashbacks are appreciated, especially since she is very easy on the eyes. (sorry for my shallowness...)
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Thank you, I appreciate you! And I wholeheartedly support that spin-off idea. I mean, imagine the kind of shenanigans they could get up to in Europe. Gold standard television, a mon avis. Also, I forgive you your shallowness, especially in light of the fact that my original post included a sentence about Isaac doing mournful, shirtless pull-ups. We're only human, you and I.
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as for the questions:

1. no, definately not. as much as i enjoy ian nelson i enjoy tyler hoechlin so much more.

2. i dont know how they should improve but i would definately like her to understand them better. this show has done nothing to help her understand how to use her abilities or to fully understand what they are. i have been disappointed in that regard.

3. i dont mind her alone but i hate her with stiles. no its not because i ship stydia i just dont like the 2 together.
for the record i prefer lydia and stiles to remain friends. to me they have the best dynamic of any pairing on the show

4. no idea, dont care

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something i wanted to add:
although i know this had nothing to do with the episode wolf watch is getting painful. 4 3 minute long commercial breaks dont work in a show like this. especially when we get maybe 2 minutes of episode before another commercial.
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Thank you!
When Wolf Watch first started, I said to myself "Oh, cool! Extra bonus footage, or behind-the-scenes stuff, or, at the very least, little interviews with the actors!!"...I go nuts for that kind of stuff; I'm all over it.

But now...it just irritates me. I just skip Jill Wagner's intro (sorry Jill Wagner) and whatever other filler she's spewing, and go for the good stuff. It's just a shame that "the good stuff" is only three or four minutes long, before yet another commercial break. Seriously? If they really want to keep it around, how about making it a web series or something?

And one other thing: Is the red-haired kid (the "house DJ".) supposed to be notable, or famous somehow? He seems like a nice enough guy, but why does Jill Wagner have to talk about him so much? Please, someone tell me, I'm honestly curious.
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Since I have to DVR both shows, I fast forwarded through anything that wasn't about Teen Wolf, which meant that it took me less than 15 minutes to watch it.
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Not to mention, last year Wolf Watch had guests, quizzes, discussion, videos, and fan recognition centered around the show. Maybe there'd be a DJ or musician or guest from another MTV show, but most of the content was Teen Wolf based. This week's show was over half non-Teen Wolf.
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I thought the same thing. First of all, they have a great new set, I really liked that, but content wise...ugh. The quizes, Posey's reports and actual discussion of the episode was what I liked about that show.

Now, with non-relevant music guests and a lot of BS that had nothing to do with what we just watched, Wolf Watch season 2 is pretty much what some people thought season 1 was, a pointless after show, which is a shame, really.
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Also, considering it's the name of her show, I wish someone would tell Jill Wagner to not mispronounce it as "Woof Watch" all ten times she says it during the half hour.
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I know, what was up with that? Last I checked the "l" in wolf was not silent...

Really, the only thing that was good about Wolf Watch, aside from the teaser, was Tyler Posey, who needs to host his own show or something, I'd totally watch that.

As for the musical guests. Cole whatever his last name is I can get, he's been a recurring guest, seemed to enjoy being on the show, and does not seem overly present. The other ones though...I don't even know who that group was, and Jesse McCartney? It is not 2004 anymore, right?
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they diefinitely need to do something about Wolf Watch. More info, less crap. Not sure about you but I could have cared less about Jesse McCartney and whoever the other artist was. There are way too many commericials in both the show and wolf watch.
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i thought it was pretty hilarious when tyler and dylan were dancing along to jesse but holland could barely even be bothered to at least pretend to like it
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omg i love this recap. I was literally laughing my ass off the whole time. But really and truly, i love stalia! I really love malia and stiles together. they're a great match with alot of chemistry so lydia can go suck it!
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Lydia had a million chances to go anywhere with Stiles and settled with just going crazy. I don't think it's likely going to be a Lydia V. Malia kind of rivalry, I do think we might see a lot of Malia having no understanding why Lydia never went anywhere with Stiles, and possibly Lydia, seeing the interaction between Stiles and Malia, feeling some level of regret that she never did either.
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I really liked the episode, but I did miss Beacon Hills a little. Mexico was nice for one episode, but I'll be glad to return to the town and all the characters we love next episode. I did like the dynamics between the characters, although I found Scott and Kira and little too awkward.

As for Price's questions:
1) That would be beautiful to watch, especially if Derek would actually still be his old sourwolf self, and Derek would actually have age-appropriate friends for a change.

2) How about some explanation of what those powers actually are? She is still mostly clueless on what she can do, and sometimes I doubt if even Jeff knows what Lydia's powers really are. I just want some clarity on that.

3) I really enjoyed Malia, who was one of the highlights of the episode to me, but I am still not sold on her and Stiles as a thing. I like that she is realistic and not bound by the norms of society, which is refreshing. I like how she loosened up Kira a little, and I am curious to see how she will interact with he family, especially her uncle who is now her age or younger...

4) Isaac...I missed him. I would have paid to see him and Malia interact, both realistic and slightly pessimistic. In my mind Isaac spent the summer learning how to use a crossbow under the guidance of Chris, where he will stay until he is ready to face Beacon Hills again as a werewolf werewolf hunter...I hope that will be soon though.

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How cool would it be if Isaac AND Jackson both came back to Beacon Hills?!?!?!?
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Okay yes amazing twist but seriously...I need my weekly dose of Tyler Hoechlin...this cannot last long!! Seriously.
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I miss Isaac :(

At least we will see him again on The Originals
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I thought this episode started a bit slow and messy, but tightened up by the end (2nd season opener I've said this).

I didn't mind the change in locale, but I did find the dance club very annoying and not at all like any dance club I've ever been to in Mexico. While its been decades since I've been to one of those, I can't imagine they'd change that much.

I really thought the plan would've been a bit more thorough, but then our "young pack" is still at that "young and stupid" stage, so I'll let it pass. It was the torture for no reason that threw me. It seemed so superfluous, especially since hunters aren't supposed to hurt innocents, and Lydia definitely qualifies as an innocent non-were. The only thing I can figure out is the leader was trying to see if Scott would take the shocks himself to keep Lydia alive.

What I think far more important and key is that Scott brought his were-powers forth despite the electric shocks. No other werewolf has been able to do that, and in fact, it's been mentioned repeatedly that electric shock keeps the werewolves from morphing. The leader was shocked when he did it and it must be the whole "True Alpha" bit that allows Scott to do it. I can't believe that no one else has noted this, and was blown away when it happened.

Ummm, how are our young heroes supposed to get into and out of Mexico without a passport, or if they have them, how did they do it while under 18 without both legal guardians giving permission? I know...suspension of disbelief...

I really like Braedon and want a lot more appearances of her character. She's just amazing and has great charisma!Once Scott and the pack teamed up with Braedon, the episode improved tremendously and reminded me more of what I like about Teen Wolf. It was quick-paced, spooky and funny, all at the same time.

Should Derek stay a teen and re-enroll in high school? I'm not sure, only if he doesn't brood as much as the original.

How should Lydia's powers improve? She needs to learn how to access and control them.

How much do you like Malia? I like the character, she's doing the coyote/feral girl well. But Stiles is going to freak once he realizes that coyotes mate for life, and she's chosen him. :p

How do you think Isaac spent his summer? Eating wonderful Parisian food and mourning Allison.

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I agree with the young pack comment. Also to all those complaining, Lydia new it was a bad plan, and Stiles if you were watching gave her the I know look. But they are rescuing a friend.

Having watched a little more, I wish the line Stiles delivered when talking to mama fratelli that they came to rescue a friend not because they don't like to lose.

I'm just not falling in love with Braeden.
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I think Stiles would've used the "rescuing a friend" line before S3B, but he seems to have turned darker since his possession. When he talked to the hunters, he actually reminded me more of when he was N-Stiles, instead of the more sarcastic version when he was talking in the jeep later on.
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I had forgotten all about that little tid about not being able to transform when currents of electricity are flowing. Now my mind is blown. First he can cross a mountain ash line and now transform when electrocuted. What else can this guy do? I love discovering new powers.
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It all seems to go back to the psychosomatic side of all their powers. Strong willpower and focus allows them to do some pretty amazing and bizarre things. The show could really stand to explore this a bit more though.
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OMG, before I even read this review, which I know will be AWESOME as always, Price!, I just have to say we're back! I couldn't be more excited to be back to watching Teen Wolf on Tuesday nights. Yeah, I have to tape it and watch it the next day, but it is always worth the wait, and it sure was this time!
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@PricePeterson! Always a pleasure to have you back (and Teen Wolf!) Missed you! (biggest hugh ever!)
"Scott no longer levitates like a Jesus Werewolf." Mmm I do miss that a bit! ;-P
#FakingIt ;-P LOL that was fun anyway! And... they looked super hot!
How long do coyotes live? Because 10 years like a Were-coyote that means you are like a seasoned adult, no? Let me find out...
Mmm according to his fact sheet I found (desertmuseum.org):
"In the wild, coyotes live between 10-14 years. In captivity they are known to live much longer, as many as 20 years."
Ok so she's an old lady, Malia is!!! Get your paws off Styles, you old cougar... I mean coyote! LOL
"... a shadowy monster that looked to be wearing Predator drag" ROFL I thought exactly the same thing! I had flashbacks to 2nd movie with Dany Glover lost inside the ship...
That bit about the heart beating behind the stone wall for some reason reminded me of Poe's The Tell-Tale Heart..
Cub Derek is all sorts of adorable! Does he bite like Suarez? LOL
I miss papa Argent!!!!
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Is nobody else gonna say it?

Malia = Anya

Under normal circumstances I would write it off as uninspired Buffy ripoff, but I'm pleasantly surprised by the fact that (a) I don't care, (b) I love it!

Those two scenes in which she delivers the zingers - (I would eat Lydia for food, then leave her / I wouldn't leave you (Stiles), but *them* I would leave) was CLASSIC Anya. &3
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I often regard Peter as TW's version of Spike, but otherwise don't follow too many of the other comparisons between the two.
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I hadn't noticed! Oh, wow. And usually I have a running commentary of Buffy comparisons in my head.

No problems with that, Anya was epic. Malia's been cool so far.
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So, I watched it again (and I think I solved my issue where I will be watching a recording of this show and watch Under the Dome live...sigh, but the commercials are weirdly timed, there was like a full seven minute commercial break in the second to last break) is that this felt like the first half of a two parter. Now, this might just feed into my theory that the first two episodes are almost closed universe, they may relate to overall plot but are only tangentially connected to the main theme of the season. This thought occurred to me last evening while watching, of all things, Big Brother. They introduced half the cast and there are actually very little things interesting about this half crew, they could be annoying but they basically seem like nice enough people but that is because the more extreme people are coming in tonight. Hence, I feel incomplete, I should be thinking of nominations but right now, I am not even sure who can be nominated and just from a jump off assumption, the eight in there right now would get along and have a series of tear filled upset evictions, I doubt the next eight will get along with each other so well.
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I hate they put those two shows against each other. I'll be doing it the other way around, watching Teen Wolf live, and will record Under The Dome.

I was also thinking the same about the first two episodes, which do not seem to have anything to do with the benefactor, not will these introduce the new characters. That is similar to what they did in 3B, when the first two episodes seemed to hold no relation to the rest of the season, until the Malia (and maybe Kate) thing at least.
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Exactly, like there were a few things in the first two episodes of 3b that were important (off hand, introduction of Malia and Kira, introduction of the term Bardo so even though that was only relevant in the season finale it gave weight to what was resolved, the head ajar thing in Allison and Scott at least, and the magical maguffin, the triskele box). And at the very end of "More Bad than Good," the second episode, Noshiko yanks the roots from the Nemeton and releases the Oni and the season got started, heck, the Nogistune hadn't actually fully taken control of Stiles yet but the season was underway. I have a feeling that little scene where the boy walks in and there is the guy with the ax is the end of episode two or the cold open of episode three. Next week will probably resolve Kate's story, introduce to the audience the Benefactor, but not the characters except for maybe Deaton, gets Chris back and gets Derek to be a grown up again.

I would prefer to watch Teen Wolf live, but that spread of the commercials was driving me nuts (and while Finding Carter looks interesting, there were only so many commercials of that and Rob Drydek's various shows I can tolerate, I can deal with a bunch of Extant commercials on CBS). Starting the week after July 4, it won't be the same for me because there is A LOT to watch on Sundays that I won't be able to watch on Sunday and still get up for work on Monday so, I think I will probably save Witches of East End and Falling Skies and I might be able to start Teen Wolf a little late and save Under the Dome for later in the week (that is if I don't hate the Leftovers).
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I think you're right for the most part, with the exception of Kate. Jill Wagner will evidently appear more episodes than just the first two, so Kate's story won't be resolved by the end of Monday's episode. Aside from that I could not agree more, especially on the "I killed your family" scene. When I first saw that, I thought that would make a good cliffhanger while at the same time introducing a new villain/problem.

The commercials were getting to me as well, but Teen Wolf is that one show I am willing to endure it for. Won't have to next week, as I'll be taking a late flight into New York, so probably have to watch it on MTV.com the next morning.
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Just can't get into under the dome
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... Should Derek stay a teen and re-enroll in high school?
For a bit, just to keep the appearances before they get this shit solved. It would be fun to watch Derek being all his grumpy self trying to blend in with the ~youths~
... How should Lydia's powers improve?
They should just be more specific. At first I thought it was just the screaming thing...? It's confusing now.
... How much do you like Malia?
Idk. I've got mixed feelings I guess. I loved Shelley as Diana in TSC so I guess I'll probably like her a lot in the future.
... How do you think Isaac spent his summer?
Couldn't say better than someone who said he's probably posing to be the next David. Pretty sure that's it.
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So having never seen this show I'm guessing it's aimed at teenagers (girls in particular) and is a bit like twilight (yuk) or at best true blood without the sex, nudity and graphic violence.

Would an adult male like this show?

How does it stack up against the legendary Buffy?

Hard to imagine it's in the same league.
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Can any show ever compare to Buffy? I sincerely doubt it. Teen Wolf is above many shows within the same genre though. It is a shame Teen Wolf is on MTV and is called "Teen Wolf", because it keeps a lot of people from taking it seriously, even though they should.

I'm male, 24, and have been watching Teen Wolf since episode 1. While the first season is not the greatest, it is important to watch it in order to develop a connection with these characters. I think that is one of the strengths of this show, you genuinely care for the characters, and knowing one of these is in peril can be seriously distressing.

I'd say the key demographic is probably teenage girls, but anyone of any age can enjoy this show. It is nothing like Twilight, and the romantic relationships are definitely not the main focus of the show, which takes much more time developing the friendships (including platonic Male-Female friendships) and family ties.

I highly recommend giving it a shot, and watch the first few episodes. I liked it, but wasn't hooked until the middle of season 1. For me that would probably have been episode 7 - Night School.
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I'm male, 38, teacher. I think the show is great. I would actually start with episode 1 season 1 as well. I don't really agree with Season 1 being all that much like twilight.
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Well, I am a female, but I'm 43 and I absolutely love this show to the point of obsession. It's not really like Twilight because a) there are no vampires and b) romance is not at the forefront - it is more about friendship/"family" and c) the characters are allowed to change who they interact with in a much more realistic way. I've never watched True Blood, so I can't compare there, but there is definitely sex, lots of skin (more with the guys), and some violence, but you also have to add horror, suspence, and just the right amount of humor.

As for would an adult male like this show, just ask Price, our fearless leader/recapper. I think he would vehemently answer yes, but it is also a matter of taste, so it totally depends. I can tell you there are plenty of hot, young women who kick serious ass and are their own people, so if you like that, you might have a good reason to give it a go.

We all know nothing will ever truly compare to Buffy, but I have to say it is second only to Buffy in terms of this genre. And many of the episodes are definitely up to that level. They both emphasize the friendship/group dynamic, have an over-arching theme each season, and individual baddies of the week. I would say the biggest difference is the number of "supernatural" good guys, and TW is more sincere to BtVS's sarcastic tone.

I suggest trying season 1, but don't make a judgment until you are at least half-way through it. This show just consistently gets better and better. I liked Season 1, loved Season 2, and went into orgasmic ecstasies over Season 3.
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I started watching it as a sort of fun thing not to take too seriously and by the end of S1... or half way through, I was hooked. I hate Twilight, so that might set your mind at ease. I've never watched True Blood or ever wanted to, so I'm not sure about that comparison. I think it's a bit like Buffy. It's sort of its spiritual successor, in a way.

It descends into cheese occasionally, but it's the show that keeps me the most interested and excited about what might happen next.
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Start from season 1 episode 1 or you will not like the show.
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I actually started from season 3 and got back to season 1 and 2 cuz I was bored... Personally, I think TV shows are made to let u catch up which ever ep u r watching so it doesn't really matter. But I still preferred season 3 to 1 and/or 2
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And you can't just watch 1 episode,
I tell all my friends newly watching the show,
binge watch! the first 6 episodes.. And if you don't wanna keep watching, you can call me a pussy for liking a "teen werewolf show" lol
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Start at season 2 or 3. Probs best to skip the first if you wanna cut out twilight-esque stuff. But yeah I have a few guys friends (aged 20+) who actually like this show as much as I do
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Nothing to do with twilight or true blood (you just made me puke in my mouth a little thinking about those). Different vibe than Buffy - not really something I would compare it to other than they're both horror genre-ish. And depending on how seriously you take yourself as an adult, yes, an adult male could like this show.
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I'd say that there are quite a few similarities to Buffy from a purely literal perspective. You can map events and characters in some places.

Not that they're not different, they are, but there are certain conventions, character types and ideas that permeate from one to the other.
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I actually find it more similar to The O.C. I actually call it the supernatural horror version of The O.C. Keep in mind, I was never a big fan of Buffy.
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And I never watched the OC... :)
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Ok this is fine but I want Tyler back as Derek. Also I'm not sure all hunters have the same code as the Argents I think it is an individual family thing. The Mexican family could be something like do what needs to be done. I am looking forward to getting Chris back, I miss him already. Finally I think it was well established that Kate is crazy, so it really wouldn't surprise me if she abused teen Derek.
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I wonder if it's really Derek? As opposed to some kind of shapeshifting/ illusionary monster thing. (I wonder if I'm processing leftover paranoia from Season 3?)

Malia was the most fun. "Believe it or not, this is progress" made me laugh out loud. And reminded me of Xander/Anya, because the chemistry is so similar.

The electroshock scene was weird and arbitrary. I guess that she knew Scott would have some kind of get-a-plot-clue-by-being-electrocuted power? In which case, we'll probably be seeing more of this.

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I love malia! Especially with stiles and although I was hoping that stiles and lydia thing was never going to happen. Plus stiles lost his v card to malia so they technically have a history.
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ALSO WHERE THE FUCK WERE SEXY PETER AND HOT DAD ARGENT?!

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Good question. The show may be called Teen Wolf, but it has always had adult characters as well (some very hot adults) and Ep. 1 was like watching an episode of last season's PLL (i.e. where's the adults?).
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I feel the love triangle Lydia/Stiles/Malia coming...
Also, I can't bring myself to really like Kira. She's got cool abilities and all that, but I mostly find her and Scott annoying. More Derek would be great.
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I actually liked the idea of Derek being a teen again, mostly because I think the dynamic between Stiles and Derek would've been different, and that would've been really interesting to see. Also a cool thought, if Derek as a teen(Ian Nelson) found a girl he liked then when he turned back to normal(Hoechlin) the girl would be like you remind me of someone I liked...I think I have a new fanfic to write now...:)
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1) No. I like Tyler too much for Derrick to remain little.
2) with practice but they need to stay vague otherwise things would be too easy.
3) A lot. Though I like Styles and Lydia, Amalia and Styles have great chemistry and he is the perfect character to teach her about her human side.
4) Don't care cause he left his show. Though would be cool if he met up with Jackson. Both characters can die off screen for all I care.

As far as the rest of the season, I hope Derrick and Scott can finally kick some butt in a fight for once. Our heroes need to actually win a fight and not luck out for once.
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*Derek and Stiles
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Can we all just appreciate Malia's legs? She's gorgeous!

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How about we appreciate all of her? 'Cause shes fricken perfect :O
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Well said. She is a feast for the eyes, and her wild attitude makes her even more perfect.
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I have so much to say but maybe no one will read it. Still, here goes...

Price, are you sure you liked this episode as much as you claim? The fact that I watched this episode and asked myself "What's the point of this?" and "What's the point of that?" had me disappointed. But the fact that you were wondering about the same things I was, shows me that this episode could have been MUCH better. The entire scene with Scott, Lydia and Kira made 0 sense. The stupid lady hunter should have just told Scott the truth, that Kate was alive and that Kate had Derek. As of right now, I'm viewing the entire scenario as a waste of time.

I didn't like that "superhero roll call" either. Way too corny. I know it's just my opinion but I've seen roll calls like this since the 80s and it's just cheesy (and not good cheesy) to still see it in movies and shows all these years later.

Something else that bothers me: I didn't think it was cool how quickly Scott and everyone else got captured. Scott knew he was dealing with very experienced hunters. He should have been better prepared. I knew he wouldn't swoop in and save Derek. I knew that the hunters would capture him and his friends. But Scott made it much to easy for them.

I agree that Stiles and Malia have good chemistry but it's just going to take some time for me to get used to her (if I ever do). I'm honestly trying to give her a chance because right now, Lydia and Mrs. McCall are the only two females that I truly, 100% like. I like Kira for the most part. When she first appeared on the show, I thought she was so likeable and adorable. But I'm liking her less and less with each episode because they make her do these corny, melodramatic stunts (ie nunchuks).

Pretty bummed to see Kate. People who get killed off need to start staying dead. Are they really that desperate for a villain? And I thought she was a great villain! But her time came and went and I'm not excited to see her at all.

I liked the Stiles/Malia kiss (for Stiles' sake). I've been waiting for him to get a girlfriend and she's apparently, finally here. Unfortunately, it's Malia. But I'm still excited for Stiles' sake.

I also liked Scott's alpha growl, which scared the creature inside the church.

I thought this episode would have been decent if it hadn't been a premiere. When you kick off a new season, it's supposed to be action packed and exciting, not leave you wondering and shaking your head. Come on, Teen Wolf, put me on the edge of my seat or make me laugh...something!

I'm looking forward to next week's episode. It has to be better than this premiere. What I'm looking forward to right now is seeing Lydia learn to explore and control her powers. And please let them come up with a good explanation about Derek suddenly becoming a teen again. He looks 12. Not cool.
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On your last point about it being a decent episode if it weren't the premier that it needed more action. Have you watched all the other season premieres.

I don't think the torturing scott scene was all about kate, it seems he was being tested as to what type of person/wolf he was.

I somewhat agree with Kira, I actually like swordplay, nunchuks etc. But I'm just not warming up to the character.
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As a matter of fact, I've seen every episode of Teen Wolf. With the exception of the series premiere, which I seriously dislike, I thought they were well done. This episode felt like nothing really happened and the few things that were happening were just baffling.

I hope you're right about the torture scene. Let's go with your theory on that :P

Let's hope they do something to make Kira a little more likeable or at least sympathetic. I liked her so much at first. She was adorably awkward. I don't think she can actually play the role of any kind of fighter. When she's being "bad-ass" it's not working for me. It looks stupid, I guess.
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I'm with you on Kira, the adorably awkward was great while she was trying to move to a new school, get friends, etc. But you are 100% right about probably not being able to do that and be a badass now.

I'm glad it is pointed out below, about scott changing while being electrocuted, which he shouldn't have been able to do.
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The torture scene also served to show that Scott is stronger than all of the other wolves. Electricity doesn't sap him of his ability to change like the rest of them.
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I enjoyed this episode yeah hopefully we can hang out with the young Derek for a bit before we get back the grown and sexy Derek lol i don't know what teen wolf would be without Derek really but i love Scott's style looking forward to the next episode
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I don't think Derek should stay a teenager. I want my grown-up Derek!

I'm looking forward to seeing how they handle Lydia's powers. I love Lydia. I hope she gets to learn how to control her banshee powers without a lot of people having to die just to give her some practice.

I'm hating Malia. She makes no sense as a were-coyote who knows dirty dancing but somehow never learned how to be decent to the other people in her pack? I think it's creepy that she's being played as sexy all the time when she hasn't even been human since she was a little kid except for about two months. She's an example of the jungle princess trope and the mary sue trope.

Poor Isaac. Did they even care that he was gone?
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She learned how to dance from watching the hundred other people around her dancing. She saw what they were doing, and she mimicked them. And, unlike Kira, she appears to me a natural dancer. I don't understand how people overlook that very obvious answer to a very simple question.

Coyotes as a species are known for their amazing ability to adapt to their surroundings --they can live anywhere from a desert to a lush forest. People keep saying that their main dislike of Malia is how well adjusted she is, but never bothered to look up the Coyote fact sheet. She lived for 10 years as a coyote, she has coyote habits, she has coyote instincts, and she has basic coyote skills.
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She wasn't just dancing. She was sexing it up. Except for the past couple of months, she hasn't been human since she was only about eight years old. I don't understand why people are willing to overlook that very simple fact.

I don't need to look up a coyote fact sheet, because for one thing we don't know what part of coyote behavior the show wants Malia to have. They haven't shown us, and that's the job of the show to do. That they aren't doing that? That's poor writing on their part.
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She was emulating the people around her also "sexing it up", as you so eloquently put it. I really don't know how else to say that she copied what she saw (see: the two guys all over each other in one the establishing shots of the rave).

Okay I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say. They haven't shown us that she's meant to be a coyote but they also haven't shown us that she's meant to have the mentality of an 8-year-old child. You just kinda shot your argument in the foot. (I understand this is the internet and tone is not easily read through words, I'm not being argumentative or a smart-assed even if it comes off as such)
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I haven't shot my argument in the foot. From what they've given us, we know she was a coyote and lived in the woods from the time she was eight until just a couple of months ago. I don't need to know about coyotes to know that they don't go through the same stages that human kids and teens do. So the show has provided a backstory for Malia in which she had no real opportunity to adjust to being a teenager, and yet is able to fit in as a teen would. She may have a coyote's ability to emulate what she sees but we don't know that, because the show hasn't given us that yet, and honestly if she can't emulate simple things like politeness towards the "pack" she's been around for the past couple of months then I don't know why we're supposed to believe she can emulate dirty dancing.

From the first time she was introduced, Malia has been shown in a way to emphasize her as a sexual character without building her as anything else. She was naked when first shown (understandable, since she had just changed from animal form), and then she's taking off her shirt and having sex with Stiles, and then she's dirty dancing with Kira. All of this occurs only a couple of months after being in society for the first time since she was eight. There's something wrong with that.

The fact is, at this point she's a poorly written character bordering on Mary Sue with the way she's been given the role of love interest to the show creator's favorite character, as well as being connections to one of the main families on the show and some cool coyote-related abilities only apply when it's convenient for the plot. I realize the actress has a fan base and that Jeff Davis and MTV will push hard to make her a fan favorite, but that doesn't excuse the fact that she's currently a very poorly-done character.

I appreciate that you're not meaning to come across as a smart-ass. Neither am I. I just find it frustrating that those of us who have real issues with the way Malia is written are being dismissed as though we're difficult for not just accepting her without question.
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She has no reason to be self-conscious, or have human social mores, She just mimicked what she saw everyone else doing and had no reason to think anything else about it except that she enjoyed it. I'd say that's specifically following coyote/animal instincts.
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Thank you for pointing out the many problems with the Malia character. They haven't shown enough scenes of her growth to bridge the gap between being emotionally childlike and yet physically a young adult. I also think she's an example of a poor answer to the question: What do you do when you have some fans who really like the idea of Stiles being bi and hooking up with either Derek or Peter. She essentially a female approximation of both designed to mollify those fans while engaging fans who want Stiles to be with a sexy female supernatural character.
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Malia wouldn't be childlike. She lived and grew for 10 years as a coyote. She didn't grow up human, but she is by no means mentally a child. In Coyote years, she's damn near 50.
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As ChiefWiggums pointed out above, the show hasn't told us much at all about what Malia took away from her experience as a coyote. We don't even know if she was truly shifted to coyote form that entire time... it's assumed. The show has not told us that she's emotionally (as a human) an adult (which she still wouldn't be as a human teenager) or that she experienced those 10 years as an adult coyote.

Since coyotes usually mate by the time they're two years old, my question to you would be...

If she's an adult coyote, where's her pack, mate and offspring?

I can buy that she has animal instincts and that some of those may include mature sexual instincts, BUT that doesn't automatically equate to human adult emotions OR, more so, an understanding of complex human relationships.

Now, maybe she did just mimic other dancers and that came off as sexual. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that she was introduced, in part, to deal with the Stiles bisexuality question and the onscreen chemistry between Stiles and the Hale men. She is the replacement for Cora who was the original answer to these problems.
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I responded to Chief-wigs and I think my response to you would be fairly similar.I don't think it's assumed, I think it's implied that she's been a coyote this entire time. Actually, I think Stiles or Scott straight up says as much in episode 3x13. Not to mention her comment about ever since Scott forced her to shift back into a human, she can't get warm. On top of that is her reaction to seeing her fingers right after she turns human in the same episode I mentioned above. (One of my friends is playing catch up, and I'm re-watching season 3 with her). I didn't mean to say she was a 50 year old lady, just that she'd lived almost an entire lifetime as a coyote (they only live about 10-12 years in the wild) so nothing about her would be stunted or childlike. Right now she's learning to be human again and she's learning fast because coyotes are also highly adaptable creatures.

Maybe they all died. Animals die all the time in the wild, especially ones close to a decently sized human population. And if her mate died, she (as a coyote) would simply choose another.

And I can buy that sometimes the writing on Teen Wolf can be lacking :). But I'm one of the people who likes Malia and am excited about the potential her story line can have (totally preparing myself to be disappointed as well.)
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Edit: Nor, does it change the fact that her dancing with Kira looks like nothing more than a tactic to bait heterosexual male viewers and queerbait slash fans of either the fictional, LGBT or liberal variety.
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I think Derek should go back to being an adult, but I hope they get to see Lil Derek funny and big hearted personality like in the flashback episode in season 3.

I love Lydia.Lydia this season will learn how to control her powers with the help of Meredith the other banshee and it's said they she will learn about her family. She knew that guy was going to die when mama Frateill started tapping the small blade because her powers are triggered by sound. She looked at him before he turned to look at her and the huntress throw the knife at him. I have no doubt when she learns to control her powers she will be awesome well more awesome than she already is.

I like Malia as person. To be honest I don't see the chemistry between her and Stiles.Maybe because how they got together there was no build up for me like Scott and Kira. I didn't like how she wanted to leave Lydia, but I'm blame that on being a coyote half her life and having Peter's DNA. She truly is a Hale which I love and can't wait til Derek and her find out.

Isaac spent his summer in New Orleans hanging out with the Originals. You knew since he's goingto be on SSeason 2 of the originals
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1: NO! Derek has to grow up again! Need his full wolf abs!!! Now he's just like a wolf cub. :/

2: Lydia's powers should improve by actually doing what banshees do: Screaming when someone is about to die! I want her to scream at Araya/Mama Fratelli! I know, she's a good actress etc, but I just don't like that old lady. I'm more the Jasmine Guy-type.

3: Like?! You mean LOOOVE!!! :D I hope she'll keep her take-it-or-leave-it-attitude a bit longer!

4: Probably in Mexico, too. Hidden in a cage fight club, to push his pain about Allison's death aside. Drinking Tequila, trying to forget what happened, and playing Poker with Mama Fratelli's guys, without them knowing that he's a werewolf, too.


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Im just here to talk about Scott and Kira's relationship so if you don't like Scira makes no sense reading this. Sooo... Scott and Kira? yeah they kissed she shared a bed with him al lthat stuff that couples do they were together from that night well kind of its a complicated realtionship because if Kira and Scott were friendzoning they would of been seeing other people but Scott knows hes all about Kira. Kira isn't outspoken shes new to the group and is trying not to piss anyone off and trying to do whats best for them because shes a really caring person. In the last episode of 3B she did say she didn't know how much space she should give Scott and it's been 2 months. Its quite obvious if they haven't hugged kissed touched each other or date or anything like that in 2 months that scott would be a little edgy on whether theyre together or not idt he was friendzonin her i think when he thinked back of the last time he kissed Kira or went on a date with her which was months ago he told himself they couldn't be together if things between them werent intense in a while. Jeff did say in those interview things that Scott and Kira will eventually talk about it have they guys night and girls night out and while scotts with stiles on his guys night out and Kira obviously with Malia and Lydia theyre gonan talk relationships of course with the type of people Stiles and Malia are theyre gonna question Kira and Scotts realtionship Jeff said at that point Kira and Scott are gonna be like what are we idk what to do and that kind of stuff because Scott's first love died in his arms even if he may not love her like that anymore she was his first and he wants to respect the fact tht thts how it happened and him being with another girl within 2 months ( alhough he and Kira were a thing before Allison's death) would be rude o.O? and Kira understands that Scott needs space and keeps her mouth pinned down and burries what she wants to tell him inside and sometimes Malias just gonna throw it out there for them both Jeff also said that although Scott wants to respect Allison he's a supernatural being afraid of turning so hes in need of an Anchor so he can turn into full alpha explore his inner abilities and help the people he love and hes gonna need Kira for that and also that Scott's a teenage boy and he's falling in love with Kira and there's gonna come a time where he cant control the way he feels about Yukimura and then he and Kira will finally be official and in love. Secondly the money they got to save Derek, most of it came from Kira, because of Kira's mom and the Japanese Mafia. Anymore questions on anything to do with Scira mostly or Teen wolf find me on my Google+ Account https://plus.google.com/u/0/109610803184045112419/posts . Later
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I agree, they have both been just being very respectful and unsure of what to do or how to be. Kira witnessed the entirety of Allison's death (and not for nothing, but Allison was the other member of the group reaching out to her and being nice to her and if Allison hadn't died, the bigger storyline this year would likely be that while Scott and Allison continued to have the world's most mature break up, Lydia might be having some territorial issues with someone moving in on her bff zone) and has given them all time, like, that she and Malia have their own friendship already I would imagine has been because Kira could just act normal around her. Scott was just getting past his issues with letting go of Allison and accepting Allison and Isaac when Allison died (I don't think what she said had much sway over him) and his head honestly hasn't been in the space to dwell on relationships. From what I could figure out, he figured out Derek was missing after like a week, and then he spent time figuring out where the Calaveras were located (which likely involved a lot of Peter cajoling) and helping Malia through at least one full moon as a human not to mention all the accessing of her coyote senses. He honestly appeared surprised when Braeden asked him. But I would be willing to bet if you asked Malia to put an identity on the members of the pack, she would call Kira Scott's mate.

The next probable hindrance is going to be Chris' return. While it sort of seems like everyone has given Scott and Lydia space, they probably have tried to avoid talking about Allison, but Chris will bring everything to the forefront again. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to find he is the one that pushes one of them to make a decision though, just a take life by the balls thing.
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1/ I loved the actor playing L'il Derek in the previous flashback episode and wanted to see him again - in another flashback episode. I want Sour Wolf back. (Then again, it would be nice to see Sour Wolf and L'il Derek interact. They did it in Looper with Joseph Gordon-Levitt.)
2/ Lydia should start interacting with Meredith - the other banshee. Their powers seem to be instinctive rather than intellectual so Lydia may start working with things that unlock her intuition.
3/ I really like Malia.
4/ Hunting stuff and dating Jackson.
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My favourite show has finally returned! Yes! (jumping up and down) It has been a dark few months without my weekly dose of mancandy and mayhem. Allthough I can't shake the loss of Isaac, I am digging the increased girlpower. I wasn't so sure about Malia before, but halfway through this episode I was completely convinced. It was the suggestion that she might eat Lydia if she was coyote that really won me over. I'm a sucker for sweet moments like that :P. I love a girl who is unapologetic and a little bitchy. And since Lydia got all nice and insecure about her powers there was an opening to be filled. Lydia really needs to step it up, If this episode was an indication of her role this season... it sucks. She needs to go back to being cool and confident and having sex with lacrose players. Maybe getting control of her very creepy power could help her get her mojo back.

My cold black heart melted when Malia told Stiles she would never leave him. I'm curious to see where this is going. The guy deserves a little love and it hasn't been a very fruitfull show so far for him. Which is wierd because he is the best person ever and I wish he was real person so we could rule the world together in snarky awesomeness.

I don't know what was up with Scott and Kira... They just spend the summer being awkward or something? I thought for sure they'd be getting it on. Since, you know: teens, hormones, warm weather...

As for Isaac, I'd like to think that he spend the summer with Jackson in Europe, just generally being gorgeous and awesome. You know, guy stuff ;) They probably broke some hearts and kicked some ass. Or maybe he shared some touching father and boyfriend-of-your-dead-daughter moments with Argent. Having heart to hearts at the Colloseum and such.

I never much cared for Derek ( I know, I know, shame on me), but this teen version is definitly a step down. He lookes kind of dopey. Kate is one freaky bitch.

I am so happy this show is back! And Mexico, land of taco's and tequila!
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I like the older Derek more than the teen Derek... but for now I just want to know HOW is he teen Derek again!!
I hope Lydia's powers will improve...or at least they should improve.
I LOVE Malia. And I like her a lot with Stiles...I like Malia wits Stiles far more than I like Lydia with him.... And I think Malia and Stiles simply have chemistry! You can't deny that!
And I don't care how Isaac spend his summer, because I didn't like Isaac...like...at all.
And I loved the part at the begining when they were in the clum thingy and Stiles says "What makes you think we came alone?" and then they show Malia, Keira and Scott :3 I likead all the parts from the begining...
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they keep on diminishing derek in this show
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The questions are kinda random... especially the last one. (Seriously, do we really spend time thinking about how Isaac spent his summer? Like, for real?) And do I need to say that I LOVE Malia?! I mean, she is just SO. SO. SO. awesome. And I definatively ship Stalia. Lydia can just find some other guy (but why did Aiden have to dieee D':). Plus, I don't understand why some people hate Kira. I mean, she's not some bi*ch who stole Scott from Allison. Allison ditched Scott first k? And Allison started a new relationship with Isaac before Scott even knew Kira. Is there a problem with Scott trying to be happy with someone else? And Kira is so adorable~~ And badass with a katana :‘D
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OMG this review is awesome and totally made me snort-laugh! Derek should totally stay a teen and re-enroll in high school so we can have the Teen Wolf version of "17 Again". Lydia's powers should develop in a way that allows her to save people rather than just finding dead bodies. Malia is badass! Kira is also awesome and there's needs to be more of her awkward dancing in the show. Isaac was clearly doing something voodoo-ey over the summer because now he's a witch called Kaleb.
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wow. the person who wrote this article really hates lydia. everything about her and her powers is either ignored, mocked or diminished
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He never used to hate Lydia. I think she'll be ignored more now because he likes Shelley Hennig so much. Malia will get all the praise and Lydia will be only second-class.
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It may seem like it in this article but if you read reviews from past seasons by Price you'd see he has plenty of love for Lydia.. And I have to agree with KevinG, the show itself makes her powers seem pretty sporadic and at times next to useless.. I think that's what Price is getting at more then anything, he's frustrated that they make Lydia's powers seem so lame.. I can agree with that.
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and MTV doesn't do that to begin with?
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I like derek more when he is the oldest guy in pack, not like teen or something. So no, he shouldn't stay like that. I guess Lydia's powers will improve in time, just be patient. Instead i don't like her very much, I hope so. i LOVE Malia.. Actually, i think she is something new. New member of pack, Stiles new love interest. She is not afraid to say what she wants to, her backstory seem so interesting and i also like the cute-funny thing with not being 100% human and learning how to be one :P And you know... Chemistry between Malia and Stiles is freaking unbelievable! Just...wow. So she is actually my favorite female character all the way. And about Isaac's summer..I think he spent his summer grieving, crying because of Allison, in bed with chocolate-vanilla ice cream. HAHHA (sorry Isaac, i see it funny)
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1. I do not like Derek like this....I mean...ok...but ...I just want old Derek ... :(
Derek come back!

2. Stay focused...
3. Malia...She is a good girl. :D
4. Like an werewolf ? :)) :*

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