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    mikelalba

    [1]Jun 26, 2012
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    Now we know who the ketama / lizard-creature is, I was wondering about is wrong with Lydia. I thought about creating a poll with different options, but I figured out a theory I would like to discuss here.


    Lets summarize. She was bitten by an Alpha, she had the shower-episode at the hospital, and several allucinations every day. She is completely afraid, freaked, lost... to the point of asking for help without even knowing it.


    We could say it is all the trauma, but we could also guess something more interesting. What if the previous Alpha is someone inside Lydia? what if after the bite he is not completely dead but his...soul, or whatever, is kept inside Lydia and is trying to come out and control her? Almost all the allucinations were agressives, as if he wants to attack Lydia. And each time he gest closer to her. No ice barriers anymore, no distant images, the last one was standing in front of her.


    And isnt she amazing? Could you stand as she does? I would be crazy, locked in my bedroom or drugged to be sleeping always. Whatever not to live what she is living. She isnt sharing her episodes with anybody, and she still has courage to go around. I think it is becoming really a tough character in the show.


    what do you think? share your crazy theories about Lydia, expeculate please

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    MOSTCAPABLEONE

    [2]Jun 26, 2012
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    mikelalba wrote:

    Now we know who the ketama / lizard-creature is, I was wondering about is wrong with Lydia. I thought about creating a poll with different options, but I figured out a theory I would like to discuss here.


    Lets summarize. She was bitten by an Alpha, she had the shower-episode at the hospital, and several allucinations every day. She is completely afraid, freaked, lost... to the point of asking for help without even knowing it.


    We could say it is all the trauma, but we could also guess something more interesting. What if the previous Alpha is someone inside Lydia? what if after the bite he is not completely dead but his...soul, or whatever, is kept inside Lydia and is trying to come out and control her? Almost all the allucinations were agressives, as if he wants to attack Lydia. And each time he gest closer to her. No ice barriers anymore, no distant images, the last one was standing in front of her.


    And isnt she amazing? Could you stand as she does? I would be crazy, locked in my bedroom or drugged to be sleeping always. Whatever not to live what she is living. She isnt sharing her episodes with anybody, and she still has courage to go around. I think it is becoming really a tough character in the show.


    what do you think? share your crazy theories about Lydia, expeculate please



    I don't think Lydias issues run that deep. I think that Lydia is just seeing the normal hallucinations that comes along with being bitten by an Alpha. Scott and Jackson both saw things and had weird dreams as a result of their being bitten by Alphas. It's just that with Lydia, whatever she truly is or inherited from her genes perhaps makes her immune to a werewolf bite and she was able to pass on this immunity partially to Jackson. Since it was partial transfer (probably via her saliva) and not a full transfer, Jackson became a Kenema.
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    RaizenYusuke

    [3]Jun 26, 2012
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    Jackson may have given Lydia the immunity to the bite. Jackson was adopted so his bloodline may have been jumped started thanks to Derek's bite. Lydia is having a negative reaction because of something Jackson gave her during their makeou sessions and Peter's bite. Or Lydia is something else and contact with Jackson and werewolf bite are messing up her own supernatural genes. So many possiblities.
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    mikelalba

    [4]Jun 27, 2012
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    So you do believe it is all about the "usual trauma" that a bite caduses? I prefer to think crazier...


    I am the only who thinks that there is much more about the allucinations? Did the other, when bitten, have allucinations regarding the Alpha? I dont think this is casual, all her allucinations are related to the ex-Alpha....

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    MOSTCAPABLEONE

    [5]Jun 27, 2012
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    RaizenYusuke wrote:
    Jackson may have given Lydia the immunity to the bite. Jackson was adopted so his bloodline may have been jumped started thanks to Derek's bite. Lydia is having a negative reaction because of something Jackson gave her during their makeou sessions and Peter's bite. Or Lydia is something else and contact with Jackson and werewolf bite are messing up her own supernatural genes. So many possiblities.


    The possibility of Jackson passing the immunity is not the most plausible IMO. If Jackson passed the immunity to Lydia, you would think that his immunity would be stronger as the host. If his immunity is stronger, why did Jackson become the Kenema and Lydia didn't?
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    MOSTCAPABLEONE

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    mikelalba wrote:

    So you do believe it is all about the "usual trauma" that a bite caduses? I prefer to think crazier...


    I am the only who thinks that there is much more about the allucinations? Did the other, when bitten, have allucinations regarding the Alpha? I dont think this is casual, all her allucinations are related to the ex-Alpha....



    Scott had hallucinations but not about the Alpha as he didn't know who the Alpha was until the very end. Lydia and Jackson both had vivid hallucinations about the Alpha that bit them as they both knew who they were. I just think knowing your maker opens up your mind more to the hallucinations.
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    RaizenYusuke

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    MOSTCAPABLEONE wrote:
    RaizenYusuke wrote:
    Jackson may have given Lydia the immunity to the bite. Jackson was adopted so his bloodline may have been jumped started thanks to Derek's bite. Lydia is having a negative reaction because of something Jackson gave her during their makeou sessions and Peter's bite. Or Lydia is something else and contact with Jackson and werewolf bite are messing up her own supernatural genes. So many possiblities.


    The possibility of Jackson passing the immunity is not the most plausible IMO. If Jackson passed the immunity to Lydia, you would think that his immunity would be stronger as the host. If his immunity is stronger, why did Jackson become the Kenema and Lydia didn't?
    It is possible that Jackson being a kenema makes him immune to the bite, but maybe kenema does not create other kenema with its bite like the wolves. If that is the case Lyida would not turn into a kenema from contact with Jackson, but some of the immunity was transfered.
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    WCSU1987

    [8]Jun 27, 2012
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    With Jackson they never explained the "purple glow" coming from the back of his neck last season.

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    RaizenYusuke wrote:
    MOSTCAPABLEONE wrote:
    RaizenYusuke wrote:
    Jackson may have given Lydia the immunity to the bite. Jackson was adopted so his bloodline may have been jumped started thanks to Derek's bite. Lydia is having a negative reaction because of something Jackson gave her during their makeou sessions and Peter's bite. Or Lydia is something else and contact with Jackson and werewolf bite are messing up her own supernatural genes. So many possiblities.


    The possibility of Jackson passing the immunity is not the most plausible IMO. If Jackson passed the immunity to Lydia, you would think that his immunity would be stronger as the host. If his immunity is stronger, why did Jackson become the Kenema and Lydia didn't?
    It is possible that Jackson being a kenema makes him immune to the bite, but maybe kenema does not create other kenema with its bite like the wolves. If that is the case Lyida would not turn into a kenema from contact with Jackson, but some of the immunity was transfered.


    Jackson became a Kenema from being bit by an alpha. He wasn't a Kenema first. His immunity therefore should be stronger than Lydia's. If Jackson's immunity was somehow passed to Lydia and she was able to withstand the effects of the bite, so should have Jackson.

    Since a Kenema is such a rare creation, possibly, Jackson's birth family could be of supernatural origin and the combination of his heritage and the Alpha bite could have produced the current results. Also, the mixing of his genetic origin with the Alpha bite could be why Allison did not change into a Kenema as her genetic origins could be different from Jackson's and her being bitten by an Alpha is not enough to create the necessary conditions of turning her into a Kenema.
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    WCSU1987

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    Two more theories. Jackson as a male blood line of the Argents has the immunity. Being bitten caused this transformation to occur. In Lydia's case there may be more to what a scratch from an alpha can do. Maybe the Alpha can control what the bite can do. Who knows no female on the show has been bitten yet. With Derek's sister as an Alpha was she a werewolf from blood line or from the bite.

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    MOSTCAPABLEONE

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    WCSU1987 wrote:

    Two more theories. Jackson as a male blood line of the Argents has the immunity. Being bitten caused this transformation to occur. In Lydia's case there may be more to what a scratch from an alpha can do. Maybe the Alpha can control what the bite can do. Who knows no female on the show has been bitten yet. With Derek's sister as an Alpha was she a werewolf from blood line or from the bite.



    The Jackson blood line theory may come to be true. Erica has been bitten so another female on the show has been bitten (by an Alpha). Don't think the Alpha has much control over what the bite can do. Derek and his sister are werewolves from bloodline.
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    RaizenYusuke

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    MOSTCAPABLEONE wrote:
    RaizenYusuke wrote:
    MOSTCAPABLEONE wrote:
    RaizenYusuke wrote:
    Jackson may have given Lydia the immunity to the bite. Jackson was adopted so his bloodline may have been jumped started thanks to Derek's bite. Lydia is having a negative reaction because of something Jackson gave her during their makeou sessions and Peter's bite. Or Lydia is something else and contact with Jackson and werewolf bite are messing up her own supernatural genes. So many possiblities.


    The possibility of Jackson passing the immunity is not the most plausible IMO. If Jackson passed the immunity to Lydia, you would think that his immunity would be stronger as the host. If his immunity is stronger, why did Jackson become the Kenema and Lydia didn't?
    It is possible that Jackson being a kenema makes him immune to the bite, but maybe kenema does not create other kenema with its bite like the wolves. If that is the case Lyida would not turn into a kenema from contact with Jackson, but some of the immunity was transfered.


    Jackson became a Kenema from being bit by an alpha. He wasn't a Kenema first. His immunity therefore should be stronger than Lydia's. If Jackson's immunity was somehow passed to Lydia and she was able to withstand the effects of the bite, so should have Jackson.

    Since a Kenema is such a rare creation, possibly, Jackson's birth family could be of supernatural origin and the combination of his heritage and the Alpha bite could have produced the current results. Also, the mixing of his genetic origin with the Alpha bite could be why Allison did not change into a Kenema as her genetic origins could be different from Jackson's and her being bitten by an Alpha is not enough to create the necessary conditions of turning her into a Kenema.
    How do we know that Jackson hasn't always been a kenema, but it was only activated by the bite though? We have no idea what Jackson's biological family is this point. I think it is way too soon to say Jackson only became one because Lydia had the immunity and passed it on to him. I see your point on Lydia having the immuniy though. We need more answers though befre we conclude what is going on.
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    SweetMissJaye

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    Did anyone catch Lydia saying that she was "bitten" and that he's still out there? She has no idea that Peter is dead, which may be why she's having so many hallucinations about him. She could be genuinely scared that he's going to come after again. Then again, something supernatural might be going on because she saw Peter's burning face on the inkblot but she has no way of actually knowing that he was burning or that Derek killed him.


    Lydia might simply be hallucinating and asking for help because of PTSD. BUT, since Peter actually did bite her, she might be having some kiind of reaction to the bite. There's still a chance that Lydia will be something. I have no clue as to what she could be yet. Maybe whatever the vet is? So many possibilities.

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    RaizenYusuke

    [14]Jul 10, 2012
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    Lydia has the immunity and Peter plans to use her as a backup plan for something. Every time we get an answer t something it leads to more questions.
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    jack756

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    i think alot of fans are over doing it.


    first off jakcson didnt give lydia anything.the reason jackson immune to the bite b/c his already something (the lizard thing lol)which could be the reason lydia didnt turn.maybe shes already something.from what im starting to see if your already something you cant be turned to a wolf like jackson.the question is what is lydia?


    secondly why are the hunters so intersted in her.allsion dad told her to watch out for lydia b/c shes very special and important.some fans just done forget about that i guess.


    thrid.how in the world can this girl speak latin.that excuse she gave was so not lydia.then lets not forget in season 1 she somehow knew how to make a potion of some sort when they were all trap in the school with the alpha.


    fourth as the seeing things hallucations.i htink maybe lydia cant get over what she saw.if shes something she probbley thought she was the only one and now it has scarde her to tears


    my guess is lydia a witch and im gone stick to that.if she aint a witch shes something.

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    RaizenYusuke wrote:
    MOSTCAPABLEONE wrote:
    RaizenYusuke wrote:
    MOSTCAPABLEONE wrote:
    RaizenYusuke wrote:
    Jackson may have given Lydia the immunity to the bite. Jackson was adopted so his bloodline may have been jumped started thanks to Derek's bite. Lydia is having a negative reaction because of something Jackson gave her during their makeou sessions and Peter's bite. Or Lydia is something else and contact with Jackson and werewolf bite are messing up her own supernatural genes. So many possiblities.


    The possibility of Jackson passing the immunity is not the most plausible IMO. If Jackson passed the immunity to Lydia, you would think that his immunity would be stronger as the host. If his immunity is stronger, why did Jackson become the Kenema and Lydia didn't?
    It is possible that Jackson being a kenema makes him immune to the bite, but maybe kenema does not create other kenema with its bite like the wolves. If that is the case Lyida would not turn into a kenema from contact with Jackson, but some of the immunity was transfered.


    Jackson became a Kenema from being bit by an alpha. He wasn't a Kenema first. His immunity therefore should be stronger than Lydia's. If Jackson's immunity was somehow passed to Lydia and she was able to withstand the effects of the bite, so should have Jackson.

    Since a Kenema is such a rare creation, possibly, Jackson's birth family could be of supernatural origin and the combination of his heritage and the Alpha bite could have produced the current results. Also, the mixing of his genetic origin with the Alpha bite could be why Allison did not change into a Kenema as her genetic origins could be different from Jackson's and her being bitten by an Alpha is not enough to create the necessary conditions of turning her into a Kenema.
    How do we know that Jackson hasn't always been a kenema, but it was only activated by the bite though? We have no idea what Jackson's biological family is this point. I think it is way too soon to say Jackson only became one because Lydia had the immunity and passed it on to him. I see your point on Lydia having the immuniy though. We need more answers though befre we conclude what is going on.


    We know that Jackson hasn't always been a Kenema as you can only become a Kenema by being bitten by an Alpha. It wasn't until Jackson had got bitten by Derek (as an Alpha), that the Kenema made its first appearance. Jackson's and Lydia's birth right origins are probably why they both showed some sort of immunity to the bite. In time, we may find that they both are descendants of supernatural beings.
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    RaizenYusuke

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    Jackson could be a kenema this entire time though. Derek bit him and he transformed, but the question here is why did he transform like this? We know there is something different about Jackson. We know his body rejected the bite like it was a disease. Then later he started transforming into the kenema. The bite may have just been a triger to awaken Jackson's supernatural blood. The kenema for all we know have a phase where they appear to be human and do not awaken unless something trigers it like say a werewolf bite from a Alpha or something else.


    Jackson's transformation is still a mystery to us on a whole. For all we know Jackson's master could have awakened him to act out his goals or something. I am not convinced though that Derek's bite in the sole reason Jackson transformed. There has to be some other element to it.

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    Lol do any of you actually watch this epic show? You are all talking about shit we have already found out answers 2....
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    mikelalba

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    Well, awsome chapter. Seems I was not so mislead thinking that Lidya's was not just a one more trauma or just after-bitten nightmares... she is the backup plan, her allucinations are different from the others, and we dont know very well what is this plan B the previous Alpha had. We did learn she is not separting reality from allucinations, since the other student was finally not real one. Awsome.


    All your discussion about Jackon... well, I just wanted to say that Jackon was bitten, and nothing hinted that he was a creature before this. Kenema issue is related to Jackson's past and "ansolved issues", not Lidya. In fact I dont know why you are still talking about Lidya's inmunity regarding the Kenema. But I will keep this to chapter's post

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    MOSTCAPABLEONE

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    mikelalba wrote:

    Well, awsome chapter. Seems I was not so mislead thinking that Lidya's was not just a one more trauma or just after-bitten nightmares... she is the backup plan, her allucinations are different from the others, and we dont know very well what is this plan B the previous Alpha had. We did learn she is not separting reality from allucinations, since the other student was finally not real one. Awsome.


    All your discussion about Jackon... well, I just wanted to say that Jackon was bitten, and nothing hinted that he was a creature before this. Kenema issue is related to Jackson's past and "ansolved issues", not Lidya. In fact I dont know why you are still talking about Lidya's inmunity regarding the Kenema. But I will keep this to chapter's post



    First of all, we are talking about Lydia's immunity in regards to the Alpha. bite (as Jackson was bitten also). Secondly, we were still talking about Lydia's immunity as it was not clearly explained.
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