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FOX (ended 2011)
|and...the fact that there are no jails is absurd. tn has been around too long, too many people not to have one. what if the murder was done by a woman or someone who was not able-bodied...banishment is stupid across the board...tired of the dictator and the angry father son thing...why are we suppose to believe that the community would allow a dictator. they already have a military police. it is hard to watch. the scripts don't allow for us to see the community at work. no meetings etc... no real sence of a community,neighborhood or anything but small stories and the people around them...where is the big picture. with this kind of story it is needed.|
I'm only of the people on the East coast still without power so I haven't seen the episode yet. But by what you say...
Actually, IN THIS WEIRD SCENARIO of being a lonely colony in the past unable to send people back to civilization... banishment makes sense (though it's a bit inhumane).
A prisoner means a drain on resources in a wilderness. The person would be sitting in a jail getting fed while not working. Then you have to use some soldiers to guard the guy, so they're doing very little and getting fed. Then you have the electricity going to the building to house them. Unlike regular prisons, you'd have no rational way for even trying to rehabilitate them.
I'd imagine that depending on the crime, such a place might just use minor offenders (petty theft and such) as forced volunteers for the cruddy jobs, like we have now, and maybe cutting their rations. Obviously not picking up trash along the highway, but maybe stuff like working at the sewage area or digging ditches.
Banishing a murderer in THAT SINGLE SCENARIO almost makes sense... a killer may kill again, so by keeping them you endanger the rest of the group.
Your opinion on injured / mamed / elderly / etc people being banished isn't that much different than what happens now. The weak, fat, disabled, etc go through HELL in the US penal system. Either they have a high mortality rate or have a high risk of going through the cliche hellish prison experience.
Meanwhile, there's always the likely scenario that banished offenders would be picked up by the Sixers... if for no other reason that the person would be loyal to them and would thus tell them everything they know (which might be more/different than their spies have access to).
I don't agree with it, but it's not as crazy as it sounds.
|banishment is stupid across the board...|
|Average episode, lame at times. I do hope they do not turn this show into a common police show, just in a different environment.|
I don't think they'll turn it into "Jurassic Precinct," but considering the main character is/was a cop I imagine it's going to at least partially play into a number of storylines. Perhaps not the full focus, but having him notice something a Grunt might not due to his detective skills or using deduction more than the leader.
I finally caught the episode last night from iTunes.
It was alright... I actually liked it more than the other episodes (which other than the pilot, I had luke-warm feelings about). We got to see more of a group dynamic, shades of grey, etc.
They should've ended with more of a follow-up, like how Jim wasOK with banishing a confessed killer but perhaps not banishing someone that didn't confess and didn't have conclusive proof (plus no gun for defense). Maybe a conversation between him and his wife with him agreeing to some points. The soldier was right, he deserved a proper court martial.
I mean, right now when one of the prime suspects confesses (and doesn't contest it later) there's not much going on. They make sure his statement is legit and matches the evidence and that it's possible he could've done it... and they go straight to sentencing by a Judge (not a jury). Meanwhile, from what I understand the "investigation" into a confessed killer is usually fairly light... facts match up, he had motive, and it doesn't seem like he's lying.
I still stand by my previous statements about banishment, in this particular wacky scenario (living in the time of dinosaurs) it makes sense. If the guy is a killer, he's a danger. So either you waste very limited resources jailing the guy, as well as reduce your defense force to guard him, all-the-while hoping this person that doesn't contribute anything isn't going to escape and kill anyone... or you say "you made the call, now deal with it."
Obviously, the most humane thing would be to send him back to the future to be jailed (which they cannot do) or some sort of jungle prison. But survival is key, and doing all of that severely risks the survival of not only a colony but the human race.
Besides, the Sixers will probably find him and make him a deal.
I enjoyed the episode quite a bit.
Totally. I think this ep was a stepping stone to open up some of the larger moral and legal issues later on.
Prisons for a small colony make no sense. As said above they drain resources and accomplish nothing. Banishment is the most humane method to deal with a murderer i could think of. Unless they happened to have a very isolated island that was sustainable to drop everyone off on.
Taylor got a couple of chuckles out of me this ep and the shades of grey mentioned above were delivered nicely this week too- the extreme poles of the community coming together to catch a bad guy. Kinda nice. With a good ending to their collaboration.
I also thought the martial law aspect of the colony was obvious. Taylor is Governor and his word is law. TN is only 10 years old and barely self sustainable. In time the libertarians will cry for a charter of rights - not now - now these people are learning to survive in a hostile environment - their lives in the hands of the men with guns - for now, for the most part, they want the military in charge. These people from the future can't hunt, or forage, or survive as they've lived in a plastic bubble all their lives. I don't imagine the laws of 2049 are much better than TN. If you recall in ep1 those guys pretty much just walked into the apartment and ripped it apart under nothing more than 'suspicion'. I don't know where you live, but in Aus suspicion is not enough to gain a warrant.
Just caught up to this ep on my DVR....
My thoughts were the same when they banished the guy...wouldnt he just run straight to the Sixers? Or, even if the Sixers wouldnt take him for some reason (he knows theyd think he might be a spy from TN or something?), wouldnt he just likely end up trying to raid TN outposts for supplies or something at some point? I thought they were at least going to take him somewhere remote by vehicle first, not just close the gate behind him and tell him to shoo.
That being said, banishment is hardly a "death sentence". As Taylor pointed out, he survived for several months on his own, without even the benefit of the knowledge that they now have about the dinosaurs and the terrain. Its not like they're on Rura Penthe. Its not like they're even in an arid desert environment, they're in a lush forested area. Anyone with half a brain can survive if they keep their eyes up and their wits about.
What really got me was the wife's arguing against "frontier justice". Ma'am, you are ON the frontier!