Jon Stewart: I really wanted to know if you're a torture guy. What do you think, waterboard or no waterboard?
Bill Kristol: I'm ambivalent on torture. I'm a bit of a squish on torture. I respect Senator McCain and he says it's unwise and unnecessary and wrong for the U.S. to do. On the other hand, the three people who seem to have been waterboarded gave up perhaps very important information that may have prevented further attacks. So I think it would be a tough call if one were in a position of authority in all honesty.
Bill Kristol: There are an awful lot of people in Iraq who want to make it work. If we stay and help them, I think they can make it work.
Jon Stewart: When are they going to start doing that?
Bill Kristol: They are doing it. They are doing it now.
Jon Stewart: Well, the only point that I would make on that is, I think that they have created divides within that country through violence that will not be healed through democratic processes. I think the idea, somehow, that democracy is some weird Neosporin ointment that you put on a wound and they're like, "Oh my god, we're self-reliant. Give me a hug."
Bill Kristol: It's better than the alternative.
Jon Stewart: I think the Sunnis will not accept Shia power in Iraq.
Bill Kristol: The Sunni turned against Al Qaeda because they thought Al Qaeda was worse than accepting the majority Shia government.
Jon Stewart: I disagree. I think they turned on them because they thought it was the fastest way to get the United States out of Iraq.
Moment of Zen: The cast of Good Morning America defying gravity.
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