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    WhiteKnightonTV

    [1]Oct 30, 2008
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    Red-Handed
    Episode #6
    Original air date: November 11, 2008

    From CBS.com:
    "When the operations manager of a resort casino is murdered, Patrick Jane tries his hand at solving the case while schooling lesser, non-mentalist card players at the tables."

    Please use this thread to discuss the episode.
    Edited on 11/01/2008 7:04am
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    TesserT

    [2]Nov 12, 2008
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    I think this is my favorite ep so far. The character interaction is getting better with each ep. I suspected the son-in-law from the start just from the way he acted - in the end he got stupid by using the stolen chip. Loved the gifts - I'd have kept the jewelry! I loved it when Patrick said I'm counting cards, is that illegal? before gathering up his $250,000. Andrea Parker (The Pretender) was a nice addition this week.
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    Angeluskamps

    [3]Nov 12, 2008
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    TesserT wrote:
    I think this is my favorite ep so far. The character interaction is getting better with each ep. I suspected the son-in-law from the start just from the way he acted - in the end he got stupid by using the stolen chip. Loved the gifts - I'd have kept the jewelry! I loved it when Patrick said I'm counting cards, is that illegal? before gathering up his $250,000. Andrea Parker (The Pretender) was a nice addition this week.
    Why would counting cards be illigal? Its just playing cards, and looking good what is happening.
    I also liked the episode a lot. But that he didnt buy anything for him self make him look too good, I just don't believe he kept some of the money for his own.
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    TesserT

    [4]Nov 12, 2008
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    Angeluskamps wrote:
    TesserT wrote:
    I think this is my favorite ep so far. The character interaction is getting better with each ep. I suspected the son-in-law from the start just from the way he acted - in the end he got stupid by using the stolen chip. Loved the gifts - I'd have kept the jewelry! I loved it when Patrick said I'm counting cards, is that illegal? before gathering up his $250,000. Andrea Parker (The Pretender) was a nice addition this week.
    Why would counting cards be illigal? Its just playing cards, and looking good what is happening.
    I also liked the episode a lot. But that he didnt buy anything for him self make him look too good, I just don't believe he kept some of the money for his own.
    Card counting without an outside device is completely legal. There's nothing in the rules of blackjack or U.S.law that prohibits card counting. But casinos avoid losing money by preventing card counters from playing. In Las Vegas, where casinos are on private property, the owner can decide who is allowed to enter. Counting cards puts the odds on the players side & the casinos would rather they control all the odds.

    I think because of what he used to do to make money - which eventually got his wife & daughter killed, Patrick doesn't use his talents for his own monetary gain any more thus he used the money he won at black jack to purchase everyone gifts & gave the 2nd win to the dealer whose mother needed a liver transplant.
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    haldrey

    [5]Nov 12, 2008
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    The stunt with the hand, a modern day Sherlock Holmes with card counting ability, nice.
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    [6]Nov 12, 2008
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    I liked this episode, too. It was very nice of him to give the money to the woman and her mother that needs a new organ

    Jane has such a positive attitude, it's so much joy to watch him. I love this show

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    danharr

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    I agree this is the best one so far good job with Jane his performance was great giving the first boat load to charity and the next to they woman with the sick mother nice. Loved his counting cards bit that was fun and the team dynamic is better the guys are still a little wooden but the women did quite well with giving back the gifts and all.
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    FCBarca

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    Enjoying the series very much
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    Teh_Fonz

    [9]Nov 13, 2008
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    A good episode and as soon as I knew they were in Las Vegas, Nevada I knew they would be gambling.
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    Junest

    [10]Nov 17, 2008
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    TesserT wrote:
    Angeluskamps wrote:
    TesserT wrote:
    I think this is my favorite ep so far. The character interaction is getting better with each ep. I suspected the son-in-law from the start just from the way he acted - in the end he got stupid by using the stolen chip. Loved the gifts - I'd have kept the jewelry! I loved it when Patrick said I'm counting cards, is that illegal? before gathering up his $250,000. Andrea Parker (The Pretender) was a nice addition this week.
    Why would counting cards be illigal? Its just playing cards, and looking good what is happening. I also liked the episode a lot. But that he didnt buy anything for him self make him look too good, I just don't believe he kept some of the money for his own.
    Card counting without an outside device is completely legal. There's nothing in the rules of blackjack or U.S.law that prohibits card counting. But casinos avoid losing money by preventing card counters from playing. In Las Vegas, where casinos are on private property, the owner can decide who is allowed to enter. Counting cards puts the odds on the players side & the casinos would rather they control all the odds.

    It's called getting blacklisted. If you are caught counting cards, they ask you to leave (they let you keep your money). Then they put your name & I think your picture on a list. This list is shared among fellow casinos in the community, so even if you were caught at the Bellagio, you couldn't gamble @ MGM, the Luxor, or any other in Las Vegas. Although they can't arrest you for card counting, they might be able to get you for trespassing (as said, it's personal property) if you come back or refuse to leave. & of course, in the old days when the mafia was still in Vegas, you might get a good beating to make sure you remember to not come back.

    I like that Jane also listed off all the ways that casinos try to trick you into gambling. No clocks or windows to see the passage of time, the constant bells going off to think someone's winning... I know all of these things already, & can attest to them (besides making sense) because I'm from Vegas. We know things

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    yukichigai

    [11]Nov 18, 2008
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    Junest wrote:
    It's called getting blacklisted. If you are caught counting cards, they ask you to leave (they let you keep your money). Then they put your name & I think your picture on a list. This list is shared among fellow casinos in the community, so even if you were caught at the Bellagio, you couldn't gamble @ MGM, the Luxor, or any other in Las Vegas. Although they can't arrest you for card counting, they might be able to get you for trespassing (as said, it's personal property) if you come back or refuse to leave. & of course, in the old days when the mafia was still in Vegas, you might get a good beating to make sure you remember to not come back.

    I like that Jane also listed off all the ways that casinos try to trick you into gambling. No clocks or windows to see the passage of time, the constant bells going off to think someone's winning... I know all of these things already, & can attest to them (besides making sense) because I'm from Vegas. We know things

    I thought I'd chip in (no pun intended) because I have a bit of experience with this, having worked Surveilance/Security for a small casino here in town; yes, it was just as low-level as it sounds, but the company was pretty intent on me knowing gaming law verbatim, lest they get sued. (So they said) With that said, here's the deal:

    Legally, blacklisting someone from ALL casinos, formally or informally, can only be done through the Nevada Gaming Commission's so-called "Black Book". This used to be a rather weighty tome to be sure, but these days it has only a few hundred names on it, reserved only for those convicted in a court of law for crimes specifically relating to gambling.

    It's not uncommon for casinos to communicate with each other regarding "problem" gamblers as a warning to keep an eye on someone, but any sort of collusion to bar someone from gambling anywhere for non-prohibited acts (like unassisted card counting) is HIGHLY illegal. Ejecting someone from Casino A who admits to counting cards is perfectly legal, but having Casino B not let you gamble because Casino A called them is questionable at best, and is something the NGC can fine heavily for. People CAN and DO sue for that sort of thing as well, and regardless of the outcome it's a headache and publicity that the casinos do not enjoy, particularly if its for something viewed by the public at large as ethical.

    Now off the books there are "unofficial" blacklists, but they're more like "greylists" due to the way they toe the line. While I can't speak to any firsthand knowledge regarding "greylisted" card-counters, I can say that there were a number of patrons we had who were cut off from the bar much earlier than the rest due to warnings from other nearby casinos. Even for this though it was made VERY clear: we were NOT allowed to refuse to serve anyone based solely on what we had been told, because even that was a Gaming no-no.

    Anyway, that's my spiel. I'm finished hijacking the thread. Just thought I'd contribute a little bit of ex-casino employee knowledge to the ramblings.

    Oh, one more thing: I have no idea where this casino they're visiting is supposed to be. The Joshua trees make it clear it takes place is SoCal/Nevada, but exactly zero of the casinos at stateline are even remotely that nice or well-equipped. I don't think any of them have a $1000 minimum blackjack table.

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    Junest

    [12]Nov 19, 2008
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    Interesting. I'm sure your information is more accurate as it is first hand, than the bloated talk that I've heard.
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