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The Vampire Diaries S05E15: "Gone Girl"


They say the most dangerous dance is the lambada, a dance so dangerous it is FORBIDDEN. But not even the lambada is anywhere near as dangerous a dance as The Vampire Diaries' dance with audience expectations. Part of having a serialized drama is ending each episode, each act break, each scene, with a shocker designed to keep people hooked. But what can happen too often is when that shock promises something that ends up falling short of what we expected. Sorry to keep harping on awful Silas so much, but I have a point to make, can I make a point please? My expectations when he first arrived in Mystic Falls were VERY high. A legit monster, a man with a deformed face and black robe, was stalking the characters and manipulating them by speaking in the guises of their friends. There was something so unknowably terrifying about him, almost Lovecraftian in its darkness. But then the terrible doppelganger twist happened and he suddenly transformed into a weak, whiny villain with a lame goal who looked like Paul Wesley. Sorry, but that last part alone guaranteed that he wasn't going to be very terrifying. Handsome, yes. Terrifying, no. But maybe if Silas' introduction hadn't been so very awesome at the outset we would have been more receptive to the sad-sack wizard he turned out to be? That was one situation where an inflated expectation did not do the reality any favors.

"Gone Girl," though, benefits from the lowered expectations that much of this season may have instilled in us. Just last week I was complaining like a brat about how rudderless and pointless a lot of this season has felt (except for the Katherine plotline, obviously) and just when I'd begun to feel slightly over it all, THIS episode happened. "Gone Girl" was not only FANTASTIC, it was instantly one of my favorite TVD episodes of all time. That sounds like hyperbole, but it's not. I mean it. This episode was truly outstanding. An obvious companion piece to the also-excellent "500 Years of Solitude," this one was even more exciting, richer, and somehow more moving than Katherine's fake send-off. I never would have imagined that Nadia, a new character, would be the emotional centerpiece of one of this series' finest hours, but here we are. That's the reality! It was in every tear streaking down Katherine's cheek, every ravaged facial expression: Someone had finally forced Katherine into the humanity zone and it was such a thrill to watch. I had been so disappointed when Katherine used her new lease on life to simply put the moves on Stefan like some kind of psycho ex, but this episode corrected that by giving her a higher purpose: Newfound motherhood. Obviously she still had a pretty cartoonish villain streak left in her, but for most of the episode it was a pleasure to see her scramble for all the right reasons. In a lot of ways Katherine is a hero, just maybe not where the rest of the heroes are concerned.

But yeah: This episode was wonderful. Let's talk about it! 

We began in the Dark Ages, which, okay, 1520 wasn't technically the Dark Ages but it was DARK at least. Here was Nadia looking like Red Riding Hood carrying around a lantern and hassling people.

It wasn't totally clear at what point in her centuries-long investigation to find her mother that she became a vampire, but what was clear was how heartbreaking this journey must have been. That is a lot of walking she had to do and believe me they did not have headphones and Zunes back then.

But like most flashback episodes in this universe lately, they were all merely the memories of a dying, addled brain. Because yup, Nadia's werewolf bite had taken hold and she was NOT doing so great.

Plus, you know, THE SMELL. But Katherine had spirited her daughter to some abandoned warehouse and she was NOT about to give up hope. That's when she brought in her new bestie!

Haha uh-oh. Dr. Wes. The dreamiest evil dude in Virginia. Something told me this was not going to work out well! Anyway, he took a sample from Nadia's bite and promised to analyze it FOR SCIENCE. I was hoping there would be a reference to his new partnership with the Travelers and how that was the reason he'd agreed to help, but nope, it looked like he just wanted to learn more about werewolf bites. Who wouldn't?

Meanwhile all the other characters were spending the afternoon face-palming themselves for not knowing that Katherine had been joy-riding in Elena's body for so long.

Haha it was especially rich that the two characters WHO SEE GHOSTS and therefore would have known that Katherine's ghost had been nowhere to be found, were out of town having too much sex to care. Oh well, it was much too late to start accusing anybody of being a self-obsessed dunce anymore, so the gang got to work trying to outsmart Katherine. They knew they had the Traveler-murderin' blade, so it was only just a matter of luring her back to town. Thus began a truly great sequence of everybody calling up "Elena" and trying to use Elena logic on her, only to have Katherine out-Elena everybody!

It was easy enough for "Elena" to duck seeing Caroline or Bonnie (wasn't it so brutal when Elena claimed she'd been shopping for Bonnie's birthday present? Even in remembering Bonnie, Katherine was already 200% more thoughtful toward her than Elena usually is), but when Katherine called Damon to see if he wanted to hang, and Damon said yes, that's when she REALLY knew something was up. Damon would not have agreed to that, knowing that he was still a Robo Ripper Jerk. So now everybody knew that everybody knew! So good. This episode was tight as h*ck.

Since they couldn't trick Katherine into returning, they resorted to the next best plot-solver: Magic! Which meant the return of my favorite new character, this random witch girl!

Someday I will learn her name, but for now I know this: I like her attitude, her hair, and especially her INSTA-CRUSH on Jeremy. To the extent that she straight-up HITS ON HIM right in front of Bonnie.

So good. Also, anybody else sensing that this little flirtation will end up becoming less of a joke later on? I mean, this is a witch with ACTUAL powers. Does Bonnie stand a chance against somebody else's magic?

Meanwhile Tyler was tasked with watching over/feeding Damon and it wasn't long before Damon started trash-talking him SO MUCH. Like, so much. Mostly about how he was a loser and whatnot. Very brutal.

HAHA OH, it was just a trick! Damon lured Tyler in there so that he could steal a ton of Tyler's blood and then escape his chains and go figure out the Katherine situation himself. I admired Damon's sneakiness, I will give him that.

Meanwhile it was locator spell time!

The blonde witch discovered where Katherine and Nadia were, so it looked like the gang was closing in fast. It was all a lot like Mission: Impossible but with people who would be burnt at the stake in olden times.

Meanwhile at some OTHER abandoned lab facility (was there an app for finding abandoned lab facilities?) Dr. Wes was putting the finishing touches on a BRAND NEW ripper serum, this time boosted with werewolf venom extract. Why? Why NOT?

This was one of the sexier scenes in TVD history. Obviously there was the close-talking between two beautiful men, but also it was very pornographic in a metaphorical way? So first Dr. Wes teased Damon that his newfound ripper self was actually just a reflection of who he's always been, which, nope, sorry Dr. Wes. You shot him up with murder juice. But anyway, Damon did NOT like to be told like that, so then this happened:



JUST TO RECAP: They put their faces by each other, they got physical, there was penetration, and it all ended with a bodily fluid squirting onto someone's face. Vampirism has historically been a metaphor for sex, so YEAH. We all know what was really going on here, TVD

But oh dang. REST IN PEACE, Dr. Wes. Yes he was a despicable villain with questionable motivations but he wore great sweaters and he was just so g*sh d*rn handsome. I was hoping he had swallowed vampire blood or whatever so that he'd wake up and become a ripper too? At least his poor eye might get healed or something. But I don't think that'll happen now. Oh well. Bye, you angel-faced mad scientist, you.

Throughout the episode we got to see various pieces of Nadia's backstory filled in. I loved this revisitation of her infamous Prague 3-way with Matt and an unseen Rebekah:

The gist of this whole interaction was to establish that Nadia viewed Matt as slightly more than a scam victim... They seemed to have actual chemistry back then. But also, you know, it explained that she had sought him out (and Rebekah and therefore Klaus and therefore Katherine) as part of her journey to find her mother. Also she compelled him and took his ring so that she'd have an excuse to follow him to America. Something like that? I just thought it was fun seeing the real story behind this situation, how about you?

At this point Katherine tracked down Dr. Wes to see how his anti-werewolf venom serum was coming. That's when she discovered it wasn't going so well!

HER FACE HERE. Stefan had located Nadia in the church where Katherine had taken her and spirited her back to his shanty and when Katherine discovered this (via a fraught phone call in which Nadia told her to stay away), she looked genuinely upset. That's what never stopped wrecking me in this episode: A supposedly callous, self-serving person like Katherine seeming genuinely upset about Nadia's health and safety. Seriously moving stuff. And anyone with eyes or a brain knows that Nina Dobrev absolutely nailed this performance. Ouch my heart the whole time.

Fortunately Nadia wasn't going to die in the Salvatores' living room while surrounded entirely by haters. At least ONE person took pity on her enough to, you know, acknowledge her.

In this moment Nadia was hallucinating talking to someone else, but her apology and plea that she'd only been looking for her mother definitely applied to what she'd done to Matt. So it was very touching when he played along. These two.

Then the rest of the gang showed up to, I don't know, watch?

Okay but seriously, I have a question: Does death mean anything anymore? We've had ghosts return every now and again to hang out and crack jokes, plus body jumping, plus reanimated mummies, plus Bonnie and Jeremy just straight up going from ghosts to SOLID BEINGS somehow. So when people die there's always a possibility they could become full-blown alive again right? Just wondering.

Katherine's sudden arrival was AMAZING. The look of determination on her face when she busted through that crowd of bozos in order to get to her dying daughter was truly riveting. From there she listened while a delirious Nadia accused her of not having been a great mother, and to that Katherine engaged in the time-honored tradition of death-bead memory revision!

Awwwww. Katherine gave Nadia the "memory" of having raised her! Devastating stuff. And it made me wonder how much of Katherine's newfound maternal instinct was due to the false memory that Stefan implanted in her on her deathbead. But even though both of these scenes wrung emotional moments out of lies, they still ruined me. So good.

And then Nadia died. And it was absolutely heartbreaking.

I mean, come on. Nadia hadn't been the most developed character up until this episode, but this episode did such a great job of reconciling her sad life with all the take-charge things she'd done in Mystic Falls that I couldn't help but feel VERY invested in her. And to see Katherine so broken down about it just made it that much worse. I'm going to be very sad to see her go...

... IF I thought she was actually gone for good. Because I don't think she is! Let's talk theories LATER. Because one of the ALL-TIME BEST TVD scenes OF ALL TIME was about to happen.

After Nadia slipped quietly into the cold dark night & also Bonnie, Katherine saw the writing on the wall. She was surrounded by people who wanted her dead and the exit was blocked by a robo-ripper arch nemesis. And if there were any doubt about where this scene was heading, the wistful indie-pop song on the soundtrack told us all we needed to know: This was the end.

So of course Katherine used the opportunity to walk around the room personally explaining to everyone (in a surprisingly polite manner, for Katherine) just how much she'd improved their lives. It was a good parallel scene to that time they did shots while they thought she was dying (and to me it sounded like they were openly admitting that she'd been a catalyst for all the most important changes in their lives). Anyway, I particularly loved her interaction with Caroline, who was NOT having it.

And Katherine's faux-sweet, not-missing-a-beat goodbye to Caroline's bitchy one was amazing. I rewound this three times and laughed out loud every time. 

She also hit on Matt one last time (which, I'd forgotten they'd had flirtations at one point!) and also seemed to be sincere when she told Jeremy she'd liked having a temporary brother.

Then her last interaction with Damon was somehow both bitter AND heartfelt? And at least in a general sense her apology felt genuine.

But of course she saved her last goodbye for Stefan. First she called him out for having had real feelings for her, and then she did this:

To which he did this:

YEP. Stefan did the deed. It could be argued that he hadn't so much murdered Katherine as he simply just wanted to save Elena. That is fair. What is also fair to say is that Stefan murdered Katherine because HOW DARE HE. Still though, the closure felt real, it felt meaningful, and it felt timely. And then this ruined me:

Just as Katherine checked out of Elena's body, she fell limp against Nadia's corpse. That is just about as darkly beautiful as drama can get. Love this show so much. GOODBYE, LADIES. (Sort of.)

Oh, and only a few minutes later this happened:

Ugh, Matt Donovan carrying Nadia's body out of the house for a proper burial (after supposed good-guy Stefan suggested she be buried in an unmarked grave in the woods). So powerful. But again, I think this will have significance later, right? Their almost-romance seems so newly forged that it can't possibly be over! Can it?

Meanwhile this was VERY satisfying:

Look, I get it, I understand why Tyler was mad at Caroline. But I was also tired of Caroline not standing up for herself and refusing to be slut-shamed all the time. So she finally did that here. She defended her need to look for the good in people and she proudly admitted that being a good person is a challenge that she'll continue trying to meet. Tell him, girl!

Oh, haha, the church set. We need to talk about that real quick. It was definitely the church set from The Originals, right? It seemed like such a random location for this show considering we'd been in a different church for that one town-wide funeral previously. (The one where April (LOL) was bleeding in the balcony.) Anyway, this was where Katherine took Nadia for no real reason and this was where Bonnie just HAPPENED to be hanging out in order to light a candle for her father (LOL). Anyway, it was a cool set, sure, but I'm pretty sure the only reason these scenes took place here was so that the episode's final moment would be that much cooler. BECAUSE IT WAS SO COOL.

So first of all, Katherine's ghost finally showed up to be shuttled off to The Other Side. But not without revealing one more twist. See, even in death, Katherine has a talent for f*cking people over, and boy did she leave a doozy behind.

Apparently after she found Dr. Wes' body she realized that he hadn't made an anti-werewolf venom serum at all, he'd actually just made an even stronger Ripper serum. And since she knew that she'd be walking into a trap she realized she'd be a goner. So she injected Elena's body with the serum!

Katherine apparently knew it would be a while before it kicked in, which would give her plenty of time to get stabbed by Stefan, go to supernatural purgatory, and then Elena would wake up feeling off.

DAMN. That is some hardcore sh*t, even for Katherine. She made some speech about how she was jealous that Elena got all the cool stuff in life, so now it was her turn to suffer or something. So brutal.

But just after she'd bragged about it all to Bonnie she tried to cross over into the Other Side and it didn't work. It just plum didn't work! Bonnie didn't know why Katherine wasn't disappearing and that's when the CHURCH TORNADO happened.

Not only did a CHURCH TORNADO happen, this did too:

Katherine was SUCKED OUT OF A CHURCH!

JUST SUCKED RIGHT OUT.

Holy jeez, guys. This whole end scene is what's known as a DOUBLE-TWIST. Katherine effed over Elena in a shocking way, and then Katherine was SUCKED OUT OF A CHURCH. So good. Just truly insane, amazing storytelling and an instant classic moment. 

Now, we can talk theories. In my opinion this is obviously related to the Travelers. We know they're up to something big, since those buckets of doppelganger blood still haven't come into play. Plus that sexy Traveler leader lady definitely seems to be an important figure. So I'm guessing the Travelers wanted to hang onto all departed Travelers' souls (including Nadia's) for future use. The only question is whether the dearly departed will ever be able to regain life again, but knowing Katherine she'll probably scheme her way back to the realm of the living in no time. So yep, Katherine "dies" again but she'll never REALLY die. SO GOOD.

"Gone Girl" was one of my favorite episodes of The Vampire Diaries of all time. And just in time, too. I'd been feeling down about this show lately, but this episode reminded me of all the good and amazing and incredible that this show will squirt into my face from time to time. Yes.

BYE OK


QUESTIONS

... Are the Travelers behind why Katherine was SUCKED OUT OF A CHURCH?

... Did the Matt-Nadia scenes do anything for you?

... Will you miss Dr. Wes?

... Do you trust the new witch lady around Jeremy?

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AIRED ON 4/29/2016

Season 7 : Episode 20

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AIRS ON 5/6/2016

Season 7 : Episode 21

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"I would have buttered those potatoes allll day" one of the price's best photos OF ALL TIME
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"It wasn't totally clear at what point in her centuries-long investigation to find her mother that she became a vampire"

Umm...with the whole humans aging and vampires being immortal, I'm gonna go with somewhere around year 30, but that's just a guess ;)

I don't know if I'd put this up as one of the greatest of all time, but it was awfully good. I'm not sure which short lived 500 year old vampire werewolf bite death upsets me more, Nadia or Rose. It's awfully close...they were both all kinds of awesome!

But, Nadia's did include the complete humanzing of Katherine PLUS some of the most badass villainy of her illustrious career. Fantastic!

I don't think the travelers are collecting travelers since wouldn't that also apply to Nadia? She passed through okay. It's clear though they're awfully interested in doppelgangers. If I had to guess, that'd be my call.

Either way, while this will be the end for a while, we haven't seen the last of Katherine...or at least, we'd better not have or there's gonna be hell to pay.
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1.-... Are the Travelers behind why Katherine was SUCKED OUT OF A CHURCH?... Hell YES! And they better bring her back ASAP!
2.- ...Did the Matt-Nadia scenes do anything for you? Yes.
3.- ... Will you miss Dr. Wes? Nop, don't like people that Sc"# my beloved Katerina...
4.- ... Do you trust the new witch lady around Jeremy? Nop, I'm the only one with a righ on his T-Shirt

And Hello Price P! Greetings from Venezuela!
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Who here thinks Liv (the new witch) is HOT!? Cuz, yeah, I think Liv is hot.
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1.I didn't even consider the Travelers,I immediately just thought Katherine was sucked into Hell,like "Drag Me To Hell",or something like that.
2.I think Matt and Nadia were great together,and their scenes were so sad and poignant.
3.Wes was good looking,but super annoying - really glad to see him go.
4.I actually hope Jeremy hooks up with the new witch,he and Bonnie together, have gotten staler than a week old bread.
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I really can't wait anymore for episode 16!
I hope kathrine not die because is one of the best characters in the show.
In Greece we can saw the episodes online :/ but we are lucky because our sites give the episodes translated :D
LOVE TVD &3
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I hate that they killed off Nadia. And the Dr. made a good villan. Why do they bring all these really cool characters on just to kill them off??? Getting sick of it!
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I agree. As Price said, maybe Nadia will be back. But if not. . . they're both great characters that could have stayed around a bit longer.
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Something like this happened in ''Buffy the vampire slayer'' with Angel if I'm not mistaken, and he managed to come back, so who knows... maybe the same thing will happen with Katherine...
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- I just wrote below that my first impression was that Katherine went to Hell, but she is such a popular character it's hard to believe the writers wouldn't be planning to bring her back somehow. Also someone made the valid point that others far more evil than Katherine (like Kol) went to the other side, so why not her?
- I did enjoy the Matt/Nadia scenes. Matt is such a sympathetic character and he has great chemistry with all the ladies. They really need to keep him human!
- I most certainly won't miss Dr. Wes! I hated that storyline and I'll be glad once Damon and Elena are cured. Not a fan of rippers of any kind.
- the new witch is insignificant (I hope) and she is obnoxious too. I miss Bonnie's witch powers and would love to see her returned to that status.
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I thought the same thing, Katherine was not necessarily evil. A lot of what she did was about survival (however, she was very selfish & destroyed lives to get what she wanted - but ultimately all she wanted was to survive). I agree that Kol enjoyed killing & deep down was pure evil. Also, Qetsiyah was more selfish & manipulative than Katherine and she was allowed entry to the other side. But then again, Qetsiyah created the other side, so perhaps Katherine was not allowed to crossover because she was a doppelganger & looked like Amara & therefore Elena will not be able to crossover as well.
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Awesome episode. And so much death.

I really hope they will explain what happened to Katherine (and that she won't be gone). I'm pretty sure the Travelers will come into play still, there aren't that many plotlines left. Not completely sure these two things are tied together though.

Matt has always had a good chemistry with the women on the show, very sweet stuff. Both Rebekah and Nadia worked really well. I agree that Nadia did provoke a lot of emotion in this episode, especially considering how little we had seen her. She looked very beautiful and in peace moving to the other side though, so I'm thinking she might not be back.

I never had a huge crush on Dr. Wes but I am a bit surprised, did they really get rid of the bloodline for good now? I was sure the Jr. was going to turn into a vampire. Well, who knows with this one, we might see Mr. Hyde still.

I like the new spunky witch, she's extremely cute, she has attitude and she likes Jeremy. Not sure I'm terribly happy that they want to keep a witch on board (possibly just to resort to "let's-fix-it-with-magic" band-aids) but as a person she is cool.

Oh and Caroline finally telling the douche off, brilliant. I can't understand the slut shaming here. Seriously guys, it's sex. People have sex, vampires have sex. There has been so much questionable things done in this show that I can't really fathom the idea that a single girl sleeping with some bad guy once would be the end of the world. Yeah, sure, it might sting a bit that it was your ex and your nemesis but only an idiot goes all bitter hermit about it. People die around like flies but the most important thing is some random hookup? I'm not sure if Tyler could be any more douche. And why do the other people care, is this a bible study group suddenly or something?
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Seriously, especially since most of them were having questionable hookups while Caroline was being the loyal girlfriend. Damon hooking up with Rebekah, Elena kissing Damon while dating Stefan and then later hooking up with Damon the DAY she broke up with Stefan, Stefan hooking up with Rebekah, Matt hooking up with Nadia, Jeremy cheating on his girlfriend with a dead ghost, and Bonnie going back and hooking up with said Cheater. Questionable hookups all around!! Oh and Tyler made out with Matt's mom, it was before Tyler became a monster, but it's still relevant.
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Unfortunetly, according to the writers Katherine is officially gone :( We need to start a petition to bring her back. News Article about Katherine's Death, I am soooooooo upset right now.
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i couldnt agree more. if tvd ever made a dick move. it was this. i mean killing loved characters was ok because of emotional it was. but katherine shes the best thing the show had
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Didn't read any comments yet, but I assumed that Katherine was not going to the other side (purgatory) but instead went straight to hell. I don't think it had anything to do with the Travelers. I think it was pretty final.
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I also thought she was sucked into hell. The farewell speeches Katherine made to all the other characters sounded like goodbye to me. She even made reference to "her role" at one point. It really sounded like Nina was saying goodbye to Katherine. And if Katherine is gone, I see no point in bringing Nadia back either.
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So not only does Nina Dobrev play multiple characters, she also has played different versions of the doppelgangers.
She plays Elena, Katherine, and Amara.
She starts off playing human Elena, then she had to portray Elena as a vampire, then Elena as a vampire with her humanity turned off, then Katherine as a human, then Katherine and Elena in one body, then Katherine in Elena's body. I hope they pay her enough!
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Oh and let's not forget now... she has to play Ripper Elena, or whatever. In the promo she just seems like a crazy whiny teenager
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- Elena: I love you.
- Damon: Then stop loving me !
- Elena: I cant !

I'll be painfuly wating for those lines until thursday !!! I want Delena back !
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I truly hope Katherine comes back, because otherwise my interest in this show will die with her, since the beginning of this season she was the only interesting character with an interesting storyline so if she is gone there is really no reason for me to keep watching. Thankfully I still have The Originals
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I agree with this, except I don't have the Originals. Not a fan.
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I love The Originals, they have that "can't wait for the next episode" effect on me that The Vampire Diaries used to have (now I barely notice that a week has already gone by). Since The Originals aren't working for you I really hope you find some other show with that effect because a life without a vampire show that you are way too invested in is just not that fun
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IF you Want to watch a great show..You can Watch The Walking Dead it's better then Both TO and TVD Lol
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I'm not a fan of the Walking Dead. Zombies don't do it for. I find it boring after a while. I keep meaning to get back into Supernatural, and I was watching Sleepy Hollow, but that's over until next Fall. I appreciate the attempt though :)
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I do watch The Walking Dead and it is a good show, but that's zombies it's just not the same, besides you can watch more than one show
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I think the travellers have something to do with Katherine not going to 'the other side'. Also, Matt takes special care of Nadia's body.. Maybe Katherine will be "travelled" in there?
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even if.. I would rather watch Nina (Dobrev) playing both (Kat and Elena) than Olga (Fonda) portraying the new Katherine.. I just loved the way Nina played with the role!
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The only explanation is that the knife sends the Travelers to a different realm. Or doppelgangers do not go to the Other Side. Or the Travelers did something. And why I think Bonnie has something to do with it? As Kathrine was sucked out she told her "I can't help you" with the I-had-a-deal-with-someone-to-make-this-to-you facial expression... No way this will have to do with Kathrine's actions (Heaven - Hell). Otherwise, Kol and so many others wouldn't be at the Other Side.

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Bonnie definitely seemed to know that something was up. So I think the most reasonable explanation is that witches on the other side created "the dark side" just like Ketsia created "the other side", and made sure that Katherine would go there instead. Those witches can probably communicate with Bonnie.
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That would somewhat make Bonnie interesting again to me! Hope she becomes darker!
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katherine was an angel compared to klaus
yet that son of a beach gets a spin-off where they trying to redeem him but he wants to kill his own family member is since when that is part of a redemption anyways i hate how writers treated katherine in last few episode and there is other things which they contradicted what we seen/knew in past seasons
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Finally I've found someone that thinks so too. I find Klaus compelling as a villain, but I hate this constant attempt at redeeming him, only to make him do something evil and start all over again. He's worse than Katherine, worse than Damon! Klaus is the one character than can't just stand to try and really try to redeem himself.
I loved the character when he was the ambigous villain, right now he's what I hate about TO, I love the show only because of Elijah, Rebekah, Hayley.
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if klaus really kills rebekah or even elijah im done watching TO thats for sure and i appologize for off-tvd part of my comment :)
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This show is such a huge disappointment! The preview for the next episode is terrible. The horny teenage girls apocalypse aka the Delena fandom is taking over. Everything is like a bad fanfiction. P.S. I wonder if Ian Somerhalder is planning to surprise us all with some decent acting?
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That is What im saying..it's like TVD is The Delena Diaries..and stefan and Caroline are there to help Damon and Elena..like i don't care..Send Caroline and stefan to NOLA and end this show already..!
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i wonder if you are planning to surprise us all with some decent thinking
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To have Katherine "sucked out" just after she went and bragged about f*cking up people's life yet again because she's not getting what she wants (love K, but that's what she does) is a pretty obvious sign that she's getting retribution for her actions, and going to hell sort off (and also just after Bonnie alluded to a higher power) so I really don't see the Travelers having anything to do with this (thankfully).

I'm actually kinda relieved about someone getting what's coming to them on this show where death and killing basically mean nothing anymore. I did like Katherine as a character and I was properly moved by Nadia's and her death, but still, caring about her daughter for a couple of days doesn't redeem her considering everything she's done.
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If Katherine's going to hell, why the hell was Kol on the other side? Kat is nowhere near his or Klaus' level
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Mm good question, didn't think of it (maybe because the writers hasn't thought of it had that time). Or she pissed someone powerful off. Anyway if she ends up not being dead for the 16753th time I'm gonna break something.
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I don't think that the writers are implying that there is a hell - I think there is someone very powerful on the other side who is not happy with Katherine (possibly Nadia's father?)... I don't know.
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OK, if the TVD universe establishes now that there is a hell, and if it is inevitable that Klaus will go there, then I want the last episode of the Originals to go like this: Klaus does something truly heroic, he basically saves the world, but it still isn't enough, he has done too much wrong, destroyed too, many lives, so he still has to go there. But at this point in the show, everyone knows about Hell, but the "anchor" rules have changed because "the other side" has been destroyed. So when you die, you become a ghost briefly,then simply go to heaven or Hell. Well, I think, at the end, all three Originals should die, although, Elijah and Rebekah will go to the Heaven part of the after life. But before that, they should have come up with some kind of a mystical tool, a weapon that Klaus can carry into the afterlife that he can use against other spirits, and at the end, Klaus holds the weapon, as the dark, howling void opens behind him, and he says, "I must be going brother, I have an appointment to keep with Mikel, and Esther." and Elijah gets that glint in his eye and says, "Give them Hell brother." and smiles. And Klaus smiles back and says, "Oh, I will brother....Always and Forever." then he vamps out and CHARGES at the dark void!
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End credits.
See I don't want Klaus to go out all scared, dragged, and screaming like Katherine. I want it end like the show "Angel" did, where he braces to FIGHT!
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Except Rebekah and Elijah should be going as well because they're not really good people either. They may have a little more discretion and be choosy with who they kill, but they still kill on a whim when someone pisses them off.
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Rebekah probably should go to hell-but Elijah so far has only killed mostly bad people.
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I suppose, at least by TO's standards...I'm just remembering an amazing scene with quarters and a coffee shop. He didn't care who was in the shop or if they got hurt. I miss that Elijah. He was so suave and menacing at the same time. Now he hardly wears suits.
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I always thought the implication was that everyone in the coffee shop was a vampire and therefore, at least to a degree, not a complete innocent.
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I thought Katherine was dragged to hell supernatural style. LOL
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Imagine the crossover if she went to hell and made a deal with Crowley to come back.
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haha!!! I would love that!!!! :D
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haha.. me too! I was so reminded by Sam being dragged into the pit!
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Seriously?! The second Katherine Dying fakeout in 5 episodes?


This whole Katherine finally dying thing could and should have been done in the 100th ep and we as an audience could have been spared all of Elena’s friends looking like grade A fools for not knowing it was Katherine pretending to be Elena these past few eps. We could have avoided The “Katherine makes googly eyes at Stefan Tour” that’s gone on since she’s been in Elena’s body. We could have avoided everyone including Bonnie forgetting that she’s the anchor and that Katherine never passed through her. (which was never mentioned why she never knew Katherine wasn’t dead) Essentially we could have avoided the last 5 episodes and the series/season would have been better off for it.

Now she’s still not dead and guaranteed to show back up later which i’m starting to think is a ploy by the writers to personally piss me off. Butchering a strong well written character until she’s one of the worst on the show. The last character I saw take this much of a nosedive in quality was Dexter Morgan and that's saying something. At this point I just want her to go away.

See the problem with Katherine and Death in general on TVD is that so many characters on the show have gone from dead to alive that death has long ago ceased to have meaning. And with the dying fakeouts whether it be with Katherine or Jeremy or Bonnie when they decide to do it again it will just be an eye rolling “here they go again moment” for the audience. [On the fly edit] According to this article [HERE] the Writer and Executive Producer for TVD says that for all intents and purposes Katherine went to hell and won’t be coming back. So according to her she’s gone. Now I don’t trust that Katherine’s dead cause as Greg House says “Everybody Lies” and I’ve found Exec Producers/Writers lie quite a bit. But hopefully it’s a good while before they use her character again at the very least.

And really? Now she’s injected Elena with Werewolf Venom infused Ripper Serum? I couldn’t feel less excited about this plot if I tried. It almost certainly has something to do with the Travelers and the buckets of Doppelganger blood they got a few episodes ago. I don’t know what I expected from TVD season 5. I guess I just thought that a new setting (college) would breathe new life into the show. (Though with the infinitesimal amount of time they actually spent at high school, maybe wanting them to actually stay at college was a bit of a pipe dream) Expand the show’s world with new places and characters so we wouldn’t be doing the same thing over and over. But seeing as they’ve all but dropped the college thread entirely the show is now just chasing it’s own tail.

Caroline was absolutely right in telling off Tyler who has returned from his 2 episode hiatus from being the world’s biggest douchebag. You just killed someone with your werewolf bite and aren’t fazed in the slightest but you’re still getting pissy about Caroline sleeping with Klaus weeks ago? Dude move the F on! You don't get to be this mad about Caroline having sex with Klaus when you weren’t even dating at the time. And considering how shitty a boyfriend you were to her when you guys were dating you REALLY don’t get to pull this crap. Here’s a thought how about you stop obsessing over and shaming your ex girlfriend for who does and doesn’t sleep with. Since it’s none of your business anyway.

I like Damon and Elena together but this whole star crossed lovers thing they’ve got going now is not my cup of tea. I always say I want the show to bounce back and be as entertaining as it once was but that seems to be falling on deaf ears. But as The Doctor says, I live in hope. Here’s to the second half of TVD’s 5th season blowing our collective minds. Cheers.
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katherine is in hell they basically said so in an interview with 1 of the producers
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Which means they just did that to be dramatic because why does she deserve to be in Hell more than anyone else? Because she got the last word with our group before she kicked the bucket? Makes no sense.
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and where the hell have u seen Kol on the other side
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The last episode of season 4. When the veil was dropped, he showed up along with the dead witches and the hybrids were roaming around as well. Also, when Bonnie first started messing with the ghosts and the veil, all the Tomb vampires came back.
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just because they never showed anyone else go they way kat did doesn't mean they arent in hell
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Kol is clearly on other side as are a lot of others and Katherine is not.
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I got really invested with Nadia's character in so little time. Amazing, I cried like I hadn't with TVD for a long time when she died.

I hope she and Katherine go back to life as you said, thanks to the travellers, somehow? Also, that church scene! I still don't get what's going on.
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Girl I cried like a baby...and actually felt bad for Katherine til she opened her mouth and F***** it up...lol
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Oh, I didn't even think of the Travellers. I thought the 'other side' was like Heavan, and Katherine was suck away to Hell.
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The other side is nothing like Heaven. It was created by a witch and is designed to trap every supernatural that dies. If Katherine is in "hell", it has to be a personal hell created by a specific witch that she managed to piss off.
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That would be interesting. Maybe the travelers were pissed she killed the girl who helped her, or they just don't like the doppelgangers. I hope it gets mentioned though.
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isn`t the other side like purgatory?
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As I said in another post, it has things in common with purgatory, but it was created by a human for human reasons. (A witch yes, but not a god). So it has nothing directly to do with the religious concept of purgatory. If there is a purgatory in the fictional TVD universe, then the supernaturals may still go there if they ever get out from "the other side".
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That is exactly what I thought that she was dragged to hell! Guess we shall see.
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i have to say....i Liked The Episode...im Still Sad about Katherine...But My Favorite Part in The Episode is When Caroline told Tyler Get our of her life.....and also Did anyone else realise That Caroline is Finally accepting that she sees good in Klaus and doesn't regret sleeping with him?...i don't know..but i still believe That She will go to NOLA at some point..Mabye Not now..But im sure she will do it Later....!
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I really didn't like the episode to well I did like the good bye scene for nadi and the the twist with kathrine injecting Elena's body but as far as the rest of it was just stupid like Damon being a me to stop while he was munching on Tyler that's the whole poi t of the virus is that they now eat vampires but they are able to stop them selfs which is the ripper part right? And then the whole end scenes with kathrine being sucked out of the church if it has to do with the travelers or something that will be ok but I really think its going to be a hell kind of thing and that's just stupid it's a hell for only kathrine but everyone else goes to the other side and if they try to say kathrine went to hell because she took the cure that's a crock of shit to because cure or no cure she is and will always be a traveler and a doppelgänger there for will always be super natraul so will see how that plays out and as far as the new preview for the next episode it shows Elena telling Damon she is still in love with him I'm sorry but after everything he did that is just the stupidest thing they have ever done Damon needs to be held accountable for his actions he has killed jermey twice just because they were lucky enough to bring him back don't change the fact that he killed her only family she has left twice and after watching everything she we t through with her humanity and stuff the last time he did not love her enough to just walk away and leave her happy he was trying to destroy her life because she didn't want him any more I'm sorry but that is the stupisest thing the writers have done so far I know they say that people change when they become a vampire and Elena was smart caring level headed and had a clear scenes of right and wrong and now what she's just a love stuck teen that's retarded lmao don't really make any scenes to me love or not what he did was UNFORGIVABLE
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I didn't watch the last 2 episodes, but is the serum really a ripper serum like Price describes it or does it just make you crave vampire blood? Rippers aren't just regular old hungry vampires, it's a mental quirk they have, an urge they can't control. Altering they're taste buds so that they crave one thing over another is not the same as making a ripper. Stefan is a ripper because he's uncontrollably gluttonous, he gets so absorbed in the kill that he gorges and tears his victims to pieces without even realizing. He's the drug addict that goes clean for a few days or weeks and then OD's the first chance he gets. Damon on the other hand is a glorified serial killer. He can control and suppress his urges like Caroline does, but why bother when he enjoys the hunt and murder? From what I've read, prior to the end of this episode, it sounds like Damon was too far gone in his IDGAF mode to care about what happened or bother getting his hunger under real control, but he liked Enzo so he refrained from harming him. Once he gets out of his angry "I hate the world" mode, and focuses on the situation at hand (Elena in trouble AGAIN), it's much easier for Damon to reel in his control. That's why he was able to bite Tyler and stop. Damon's always had relatively good control of his blood lust, it's his impulse control that's the problem.

And as for Jessie, he was a baby vamp so he doesn't count. His control was going to be nonexistent regardless of who or what he fed on. The fact that Caroline and Elena thought it was okay to bring a baby vamp to a rowdy party like that was stupid...which is how I think about most of this season....I think once Augustine vampires get a handle on their situation, and locate a steady blood supply, they'll be fine with walking alongside they're prey like all the other vamps.
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It's a little bit in decline, it's true, but I still love it.
And Katherine is the best character ever.
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The writers have said that Katherine is gone for good.
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I think even if it was their intention of killing her off for good.. as soon as they see the viewer rating drop they have to bring her back…
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Writers/Producers will lie to the audience sometimes to gain the element of surprise (during season 4 of Fringe the show runners said they couldn't get Leonard Nimoy back, and he returned in The finale). Just saying, it happens
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IrishSharon is correct, Caroline Dries (a writer for TVD) said something along the lines that because its so easy for them to have dead characters pop up from the other side, they wanted Katherine's exit to be final, and different from the others...Dries said that Katherine went to hell basically, but since TVD doesn't acknowledge the Judea-Christian terms of heaven and hell that she "went to a dark realm."
I haven't counted out the idea that the travelers may have had a hand in her ending up there though..
I think Nadia will reappear at some point though, even if just being called up as a ghost for info.. I also think Nadia will be very troubled by the idea of Katherine not coming to the other side and ending up in hell, she may try to do something about it, but in the end I don't think Katherine will return. Unless the writers are screwing with us, planting false info... Which I guess could be the case. I have to say I was very surprised by Katherine's fate, I knew they would "kill" her to expel her from Elena but I really thought she'd end up on the other side and we'd see her again..kinda can't believe they killed off their two best characters of this season.. Altho they sort of had to kill Nadia in order to have a way to lure Katherine in.. I was just beginning to really like Nadia's character, and it has to be said what a gorgeous actress she was played by..wow.
To read Caroline Dries' interview: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Vampire-Diaries-Katherine-1078927.aspx
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The only problem with that is it makes her death outrageously dramatic for no reason. I hope they explain the mechanics behind it (Travelers, doppelganger death, etc) otherwise they just did it for the shock value and that's lame. Katherine is not the worst thing we've seen and yet she goes to hell out of everyone else? Why? Because the writer's realized they've backed themselves into a corner where death is no longer valid? Too bad. If they can't have it make sense (Why didn't Kol or Silas go to hell?), then they shouldn't have written it that way. Maybe if the writer's put more effort into their continuity and plot, and stop focusing so much on creating relationships just to rip them apart later, then they wouldn't have to take such drastic measures.

The ratings are definitely going to suffer with Katherine's demise. It's a sad state of affairs when your antagonist, not to be confused with the villain, is carrying the ENTIRE season on her back and you decide to kill her off mid-season.
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I agree with you about it seeming like the writers kind of backed themselves into a corner with the whole "dead being a relative term" thing among other problems... And now that I hear YET ANOTHER Petrova doppelganger is about to turn up....it makes it seem like they killed Katherine just so Nina Dobrev wouldn't be playing half the characters on the show! Remember when doppelgangers were kinda cool? Back when it was just Katherine and Elena... They really screwed the pooch on this doppelganger thing... But maybe the traveler storyline will somehow make the doppelgangers less useless... The only way I'd end up being really excited is if this new doppelganger turned out to be Tatia, the "original" Petrova, but I highly doubt it since her relevance as a character would be significantly less now that The Originals have moved out of Mystic Falls...Not to mention I thought I heard the new doppelganger is a human... Which makes ZERO sense with what we've learned about doppelgangers and how often a new one pops up... If Elena had stayed human, then there would have been 2 human Petrova doppelgangers on earth at once which according to what we know, doesn't happen. Two wouldn't be born into the same generation.. unless maybe the travelers somehow spawned the creation of an extra doppelganger for some nefarious purpose...who knows with this show...
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Yeah, I remember a time when we were all excited to see Tatia. That's back when doppelgangers were still exciting and we were hoping to learn more about the Originals and their past. They've become so OOC since then that I wouldn't enjoy Tatia's appearance now at all. Plus the writer's were acting like she didn't exist this season so I doubt it anyway.

Maybe the "Petrova" part is a lie and the doppelganger is Stefan's? Not that that's any better. Paul Wesley has already played 3 versions this season...Either way, I'm over the "D" word. Doppelgangers were suppose to be an anomaly, a supernatural occurrence that only happened every few hundred years and werewolves were meant to be extinct. Now doppelgangers are popping up like daises in Mystic Falls and werewolves keep coming out of the wood work in NOLA. What is going on?! Do the writers not realize there's a whole SLEW of mythical creatures at their disposal?! None of these are real, so it's not like they have to stick to the classic monsters shtick. Ugh maybe they should watch Supernatural for some creature inspiration because I'm tired of the same old same old. All they're doing now is retconning them to death and I'm tired of it.
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when the ratings drop, God will personally come for Katherine and take her out of 'Hell' and to the Earth....
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Lol, you're prb right.
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What about all the other "monsters" who were terrorizing/killing people elsewhere? They made a huge deal about the other side merging with the living world BECAUSE of all the villains that were over there (like the tomb vampires who tried to kill Stefan), now all of a sudden there's hell? And it's reserved just for Katherine? what in the world? WRITERS, YOU SUCK.
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So dumb. The writer's are just all over the place. Oh NOW Bonnie's around and sees Katherine ready to cross over? How CONVENIENT! Where was Bonnie the last few days? Why didn't she say, "You know guys, she never crossed over"? Funny how Bonnie saw Katherine appear in the living room and disappeared 2 seconds later, but didn't think to investigate when she never returned. And this is why Damon calls you a Fail all the time. Don't get mad because you're being judged correctly Bonnie.
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Yeah, I don't like how that came out of nowhere. The writers just make things up as they go along and retcon their own mythology - it's one those things that just really bothers me. I guess continuity is just more important to me than it is to other people.
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this show has no continuity whatsoever, they fucked up everything that was good about it. and what pisses me off is how Caroline Dries said that basically they put in that hell thing just to make it shocking and they won't explore it or develop it more, so it's fucking pointless.
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She also said that it was supposed to make Katherine's death seem more final. But it had the opposite effect. It doesn't make any sense to have her to go a different place without ever explaining (on the show) where she's going, who made it happen, and why Bonnie seemed to know about it already. So they left us (or at least me) with a strong impression that the show will start explaining those things very soon, probably next week.
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"or like drop it completely..."

The episode gave me the impression that they would continue this arc next week. The interview gave me the impression that they're going to drop it completely.

This is why I'm saying that what they did had the opposite effect of what they intended.
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or like drop it completely...
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I can't change: I'm still desperately hoping it will make perfectly sense in the end.
The travellor-story, the science-research-thing and probably even the silas-tale are going to be explained by a deeper connection...I hope.
Please WRITERS, give us a super clever dissolution in style of THIS awesome episode!!!
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I don't want to be a buzzkill so I'll....yeah I totally agree lol.
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All I know is the writers screwed up by not only killing Katherine,but not letting her go to the other side to be with Nadia because that's the only reason she let them kill her.She was tired of running,knew she was never gonna be with Stefan again and wanted to spend the rest of her life with her daughter but yet can't even do that.I just hope the network will get them to realize what a terrible mistake they made and get them to fix it
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Agreed, she should at least be able to be with Nadia on the other side. Katherine essentially gave up her life to be with Nadia in her last moments.

So bummed Elena is back. She's awful and Damon, when he is trying to get or stay on her good side, is whipped and boring.
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Katherine is 100% dead. Read the interviews Price!
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Even if Kat is in supposedly "hell" now.. the producer said that to heal Elena and Damon they have to make a packed with the devil.. let me introduce: Kathatrina Petrova the Queen of hell… we could just set up the show in hell… it did work for supernatural ;-)
And .. btw. am I the only one confused by those playing cards flying around in church? what was that all about?
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i guess 'devil' means the travellors (?). At least this was my first thought when i was reading the juli plec interview. Apart from that if katherine is really gone for good there's nobody evil left :D no katherine, no silas, no klaus...
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So true!! Why would they kill of the only developed "evil" character they had left? So if these travelers are really the devil.. how come they into play so late and why are there so many? I just think it is really hard not to have "one" bad guy to build a character for. I will never get to "like" 20 random devil people..so..wasn't Katherine a traveler? I am still all for it to make her the new Traveler leader :)
Sorry… I just can't stand the thought of her being gone ;-)
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Sure, but eventually it was a worthy leaving for her :( Spectacular and extravagant as the one and only Katherina Petrova :P
Besides I'm pretty convinced she'll show up in so memory or is mentioned. She's Katherine! If anyone's familiar with the evil that comes to Mysic Falls it's her...
Just wondering what the travellors are up to. Blood of the doppelgangers?! Strange spells and a collaboration with Wes (may he rest in peace)?! Still they don't seem to be cruel or sneaky...
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Those were the images of saints
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I would still love the idea that gambling is like the most evil sinn of them all^^
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Kol went to the Other side....KOL. And Katherine did not? what even.....

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this show is not only racist, but it's also sexist now? .....
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Oh and please TVD stop forcing the Tyler-Caroline-Klaus stuff on us like it's some normal love triangle. It just looked like Caroline had cheated on Tyler with his love rival and that's it.
I really think it's more than that, Klaus destroyed Tyler's life and Caroline should at least be conflicted when she says she "sees the good in Klaus"... and should live with the consequences of her choice, that is, Tyler hating her.

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She didn't cheat on Tyler. Tyler and Caroline broke up for good in 5x05 (I think) - Caroline told him if he left they were done for good and he left. So she was single from that point on. Now in 5x04 when she kissed Jesse I suppose you could argue that she cheated on Tyler since they had not yet broken up (but Tyler had been ignoring her for months and hadn't returned any of her calls so she had no way of knowing if he was ever even coming back).

Katherine triggered Tyler's werewolf curse and Klaus turned him into a vampire. But a lot of these characters have been turned into vampires including Caroline and Caroline doesn't seem that upset with Katherine about killing her.

Tyler being sired to Klaus was the same as Elena being sired to Damon. It's not like Klaus could have just willed the sire-bond away for Tyler anymore than Damon could have when Elena was sired to him. Also since Tyler was the first hybrid there's no real way to know if Klaus even knew that Tyler would wind up sired to him - it really just seemed like Klaus wanted to make more hybrids so he wouldn't be the only one in the world.

Caroline did seem pretty conflicted last season when Tyler came up with that stupid plan to bury Klaus alive and her and Stefan felt guilty and realized they were all horrible people. Klaus killed the hybrids out of self-preservation (as they were tying to bury him alive) and Carol was collateral damage since it was Tyler's moronic plan in the first place. In early Season 4 Tyler had already broken the sire-bond and it seemed like Klaus was just going to leave it alone. He got over the fact that he was dessicated and forgave the MF gang but then Tyler idiotically decided to pick another fight with him (that Stefan & Caroline asked him to call off) and then Tyler seemed to get all upset that he lost. I just don't understand what Tyler was expecting if his plan failed - it really didn't think it through at all.
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I think I might have mispelled, I know Caroline didn't cheat on Tyler with Klaus, but that I was getting that kind of vibe, of silly broken heart love triangle, when IMO it's way more than that.
Now, your points are correct, but Hayley betrayed Tyler and the hybrids and Carol ended up dead.
I think that Caroline should have at least said she was conflicted because Klaus killed her boyfriend's friends and mother and turned him into a new psychopath, but she almost acts like it's no big deal. I would have preferred her to admit she was just attracted in some twisted way, and not that she sees the good in him.
Tyler may be rough, impulsive, but nowhere near Klaus' evilness and I think he deserves more than Caroline can offer.
One last thing, if going against Klaus is moronic, then have Elena and the other been morons from the beginning?
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When Tyler went over to The Originals and tried to kill Hayley I understood his POV because she did befriend him and then betray him (and she was working with Shane the entire time) and lead those hybrids to their deaths.

To an extent I think they have been. I think they just lucked out that Klaus had a history with Stefan and wouldn't kill them and then developed feelings for Caroline. I think after Klaus broke the curse if Elena had made some sort of deal with him to hand over her blood at some sort of interval - every other month or whatever than there would have been a lot less problems and possibly less death. Instead Stefan stole Klaus' family members so he retaliated and Jeremy's life was suddenly in danger and so forth. Then the Mystic Falls gang stupidly released Mikael (someone who wanted to kill Elena) and then Esther. A lot could have been avoided if they're try to come up with some sort of peaceful arrangement.
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All we are saying, is give peace a chance!!! LOL

You're definitely right. Every time Klaus seemed like he was getting ready to lay low, the MF gang concocted another stupid idea to awaken the beast. After he un-compelled Stefan, they should have left the man alone, gave him one bag of blood a month and he would have left them alone too. It's really not that big a deal. Plus, if he's out tracking down werewolves and making hybrids, that means he wouldn't even BE in Mystic Falls. Wins all around!

Most of things that occurred in Season 3 and 4 were:
1) Gang tries to get rid of Klaus,
2) plan back fires either by hurting them too, inciting an Original's wrath, -OR- being double crossed by an Original
3) Gang then looks to a DIFFERENT Original to fix said failure (this includes asking Klaus)
4) rinse, and repeat.

All of this could have been avoided if they signed some sort of peace treaty as you said. I'd also like to point out, that the whole nonsense with Esther, Klaus wasn't even initially involved. Elijah and Rebekah are the ones who kidnapped and threatened Elena, Klaus was at home and later on at the Grill, non the wiser. It wasn't until they tried to stake Kol that he knew something was up and the Originals reconvened. I only mention this because I've read fics and tumblr posts where people blame Klaus for Bonnie's mom being a vampire and that's not accurate. It irks me lol
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LONG LIVE KATHERINE, she's amazing and I don't know how the show could pull off some original and compelling finale...

... Are the Travelers behind why Katherine was SUCKED OUT OF A CHURCH?

Don't really know, but that scene was amazing and scary, with Bonnie just standing there at the end, chills!

... Did the Matt-Nadia scenes do anything for you?

It was sweet, just two people with mother issues that found comfort in each other.

... Will you miss Dr. Wes?

Not at all, it was such a dead weight! So basically he was just a lone mad scientist...

... Do you trust the new witch lady around Jeremy?

She's just a new plot device, why would I even care?
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Well to be fair there were two people who were nice and sympathetic to Nadia, Matt and Bonnie. But I know giving Bonnie credit for anything would not be proper form. What exactly is it about Bonnie that is the only character that is refused credit, hum I don't get it? Stefan looked bored w/the majority of all the conversations, he even looked bored when he "released" Katherine from Elena's body. I'm still finding the constant lack of intelligence off putting especially when exhibited by Damon, I guess we'll get hovering puppy dog Damon back unless him and Elena decide to eat each other for dinner. Is it possible for them to see each other as dinner at some point. The blonde witch has really wavy hair, that's been her main impression. After seeing the witches in The Originals it obvious TVD is lacking on how to make a witch truly awesome. Hey but if she breaks Jeremy & Bonnie up there maybe cause for her to stay a minute.....Love both Jeremy and Bonnie just not together. Maybe in the minority but I find Bonnie FAB, hated they took away her being a witch and replaced it this lame anchor thing
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WTF...this episode was AWESOME!!
Poor Nadia, she indeed didn't deserve this. Was so sad...to hear her and watch her search for her mother for more then 500 years. What a dedication. She was a sweet vampire...kind...she and Matt could have been great.
Loved how they tried to lure Kat, but she didn't bite...then figured they know...then she played Damian to find out...very Katherine...loved it..!!
Was so sad when Nadia died...she kept asking for her mother...i think that we saw for the first time regret in the eyes of our loved Katherine.
Then the goodbye she gave one by one to everybody, was brilliant!!
Stefan the one who stabbed her...the epic love ended after all those years...
Now we have sobbing and nagging Elena back, but now as a ripper...let's see how Nino dobrev is going to play that part...how many people have she been in the series...five, six??
The end was simply awesome, horrifying and deserved after everything she has done over the years...
So, now what....we have damian and Elena both as rippers...wil they be a ripper couple now...killing all their friend in mystic fall???
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I was hoping Katherine will wake up in Elena's body again since the travelers bonded her permanently. Seems like the writers have much more CRAZY ideas...
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Dr. Wes and Damon should not be put together in the same scene, they just look like they are going to make out any minute... but then they are not LOL. The goodbye scene for Katherine was great. I thought this time it was for good, and it would have fit as such. But now it is not?
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why viewers don't like storytelling or narrative for shows like TVD or TO or Girls or Sopranos? answers on this link. it is worth a read for anyone especially tv critics and viewers.
http://badassdigest.com/2013/02/20/film-crit-hulk-smash-why-girls-is-remarkable/
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You probably lost at least 75% of the people who would have been willing to read your article by doing it in all caps. WHEN YOU WRITE LIKE THIS IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE SHOUTING ALL THE TIME AND IT TAKES US THREE TIMES AS LONG TO READ IT.
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Seriously why is this show intent on making Bonnie Bennett absolutely useless over and over and over and over!? I mean, give her a brain or kill her! But please stop this madness.
"Oh guys. Btw while I was off having so much sex with Jeremy....I forgot to tell you one thing. Katherine never passed. I saw her for a second and then she disappeared."
Lone simple bit of dialogue that could've gone a long way. But nope!
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Thanks for saying this!
People hate Bonnie but it is really the fault of the writers. She is the anchor and they make her a f****** idiot when she could have been most useful! Ridiculous!!
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Absolutely. It's not Kat Graham's fault - but if I were her, I'd demand fair character development or I'd quit. Seriously Bonnie has been through HELL in every possible way since the Salvatores arrived in town. She deserves better!
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Sorry Price but I have to disagree about Silas. He was a bad villain from the start. After all his main goal was to commit suicide.
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I thought that was amazing... that's interesting
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Finally, a decent episode!
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LOVED that Caroline finally called Tyler on his shit! He can leave now, he served his purpose on this show a long time ago.
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Katherine is so annoying. Hope she never comes back.
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I'm pretty sure that final scene was Katherine being sent to hell. Which, while it made for a cool scene, was really harsh considering she's such a beloved character. She doesn't even get to join her daughter in death?
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Well... If we can't have Katherine for a while, I am at least glad that they are making Elena more exciting next week... I was full ready to trade Elena for Kat..
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