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Official Episode Discussion 2.20: "The Last Day"

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    MacAttac

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    NEVER IS A VERY LONG TIME-Damon is willing to go to extraordinary lengths to prevent Elena from being a victim of Klaus' plan to break the curse. Damon's actions put him at terrible odds with Stefan and the tension that started brewing between the brothers over their differing opinions of how to help save Elena's life blows up into full-scale conflict. Tyler returns to Mystic Falls after receiving a disturbing phone call. With the full moon marking the arrival of the sacrifice ritual, Stefan and Elena spend a romantic day together — afraid it might be their last.

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    kyubi256

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    Tyler, full moon, the curse, Klaus, season finale...

    Good chance Tyler is the one who ends up killing the oldest vampire
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    darkbender24

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    This is the description for the 20th episode and unless im mistaken the finale is the 22nd episode. So I dont think tyler will kill clause.

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    darkbender24 wrote:

    This is the description for the 20th episode and unless im mistaken the finale is the 22nd episode. So I dont think tyler will kill clause.


    Yes, this is the dscription for episode 20, not the season finale
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    kyubi256 wrote:
    Tyler, full moon, the curse, Klaus, season finale... Good chance Tyler is the one who ends up killing the oldest vampire


    If Klaus is as powerful as they say, Tyler has no chance in killing him. if a normal werewolf was an option, klaus would be dead by now.

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    Kitanishi

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    jstitely1 wrote:

    kyubi256 wrote:
    Tyler, full moon, the curse, Klaus, season finale... Good chance Tyler is the one who ends up killing the oldest vampire


    If Klaus is as powerful as they say, Tyler has no chance in killing him. if a normal werewolf was an option, klaus would be dead by now.



    This.

    We don't even know on if Werewolf bite works on original. I certainly doubt that. Slow down, weaken, maybe, but certainly not the effect it has on normal vampires.

    Not to mention that we are not talking about originals. we are talking about Klaus, who is supposed to be the first original ever.
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    I doubt a werewolf bite would kill Klaus. But like you said it could slow him down and weaken him giving someone time to stick him with the dagger if they go with that option. But then again this is Klaus and we don't know just what he's capable of doing.

    If a Werewolf bite was a option you would think someone would have tried it by now. Seeinhg how Klaus is the most feared and hated of the Orignals according to Elijah.
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    gatoraderising wrote:
    I doubt a werewolf bite would kill Klaus.


    "The Dinner Party" episode already established that the only thing that could kill an Original is the dagger the Salvatore already used on Elijah: so they're basically screwed without Bonnie.


    If they would've thught things through - that is beyond Elena - then they migt as well have a dagger, three witches and an Original on their side by now but, strategically speaking, the Salvatore are dumb asses.

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    ionee24 wrote:


    gatoraderising wrote:
    I doubt a werewolf bite would kill Klaus.


    "The Dinner Party" episode already established that the only thing that could kill an Original is the dagger the Salvatore already used on Elijah: so they're basically screwed without Bonnie.


    If they would've thught things through - that is beyond Elena - then they migt as well have a dagger, three witches and an Original on their side by now but, strategically speaking, the Salvatore are dumb asses.



    They wouldn't have the original because the original (elijah) was going to kill them all off. elena, during the sacrifice to weaken klaus, and the salvatores after because there purpose was done.

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    jstitely1 wrote:
    ionee24 wrote:
    gatoraderising wrote:
    I doubt a werewolf bite would kill Klaus.


    "The Dinner Party" episode already established that the only thing that could kill an Original is the dagger the Salvatore already used on Elijah: so they're basically screwed without Bonnie.


    If they would've thught things through - that is beyond Elena - then they migt as well have a dagger, three witches and an Original on their side by now but, strategically speaking, the Salvatore are dumb asses.


    They wouldn't have the original because the original (elijah) was going to kill them all off. elena, during the sacrifice to weaken klaus, and the salvatores after because there purpose was done.


    Elijah was only going to kill them after he would kill Klaus, anyone with half a brain would've known to wait until the last moment to make their move: the Salvatore were arrogants and that's what costed them the only strategic advantage they had.


    And now it might cost Bonnie her life.

    Edited on 04/13/2011 12:01pm
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    ionee24 wrote:

    jstitely1 wrote:
    ionee24 wrote:
    gatoraderising wrote:
    I doubt a werewolf bite would kill Klaus.


    "The Dinner Party" episode already established that the only thing that could kill an Original is the dagger the Salvatore already used on Elijah: so they're basically screwed without Bonnie.


    If they would've thught things through - that is beyond Elena - then they migt as well have a dagger, three witches and an Original on their side by now but, strategically speaking, the Salvatore are dumb asses.


    They wouldn't have the original because the original (elijah) was going to kill them all off. elena, during the sacrifice to weaken klaus, and the salvatores after because there purpose was done.


    Elijah was only going to kill them after he would kill Klaus, anyone with half a brain would've known to wait until the last moment to make their move: the Salvatore were arrogants and that's what costed them the only strategic advantage they had.


    And now it might cost Bonnie her life.



    I don't know if Elijah would have killed them after the sacrifice, He give Elena his word that no harm would come to them and Elijah seem's like he would keep his word. That seem's like a big thing to the Oringal's. Look he could have just taken Elena and never made the deal with her in the first place.
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    gatoraderising wrote:

    I don't know if Elijah would have killed them after the sacrifice, He give Elena his word that no harm would come to them and Elijah seem's like he would keep his word. That seem's like a big thing to the Oringal's. Look he could have just taken Elena and never made the deal with her in the first place.


    1. His promise is worth nothing once Elena is dead.
    2. He clearly stated to Damon that he will get rid of all of them the moment they stop being useful or the moment Klaus is dead. Thats what made Salvatore Brothers move after all.
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    gatoraderising wrote:
    ionee24 wrote:
    jstitely1 wrote:
    ionee24 wrote:
    "The Dinner Party" episode already established that the only thing that could kill an Original is the dagger the Salvatore already used on Elijah: so they're basically screwed without Bonnie.


    If they would've thught things through - that is beyond Elena - then they migt as well have a dagger, three witches and an Original on their side by now but, strategically speaking, the Salvatore are dumb asses.


    They wouldn't have the original because the original (elijah) was going to kill them all off. elena, during the sacrifice to weaken klaus, and the salvatores after because there purpose was done.


    Elijah was only going to kill them after he would kill Klaus, anyone with half a brain would've known to wait until the last moment to make their move: the Salvatore were arrogants and that's what costed them the onlystrategic advantage they had.


    And now it might cost Bonnie her life.


    I don't know if Elijah would have killed them after the sacrifice, He give Elena his word that no harm would come to them and Elijah seem's like he would keep his word. That seem's like a big thing to the Oringal's. Look he could have just taken Elena and never made the deal with her in the first place.


    That's a good point. Elijah was a man of honor, all the Originals are, hence the reason why they put a "death" clause on the dagger to begin with, so if Elijah promised not to hurt the people Elena loves then he was bound by his own word not to harm any of them. Only the Salvatore had no honor here.

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    Kitanishi wrote:
    gatoraderising wrote:

    I don't know if Elijah would have killed them after the sacrifice, He give Elena his word that no harm would come to them and Elijah seem's like he would keep his word. That seem's like a big thing to the Oringal's. Look he could have just taken Elena and never made the deal with her in the first place.


    1. His promise is worth nothing once Elena is dead.
    2. He clearly stated to Damon that he will get rid of all of them the moment they stop being useful or the moment Klaus is dead. Thats what made Salvatore Brothers move after all.


    Once Elena is dead he would have no reason to kill any of them. With Damon he was more making a threat to him. We have seen that Elijah goes by his word, he could have easily kiiled Rose when he killed Trevor but he didn't.

    Like i said before Elijah had NO reason to even make Elena a deal in the first place. If he wanted to he could have killed the Brother's and take Elena away before he ever made a deal with Elena.
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    gatoraderising wrote:
    Kitanishi wrote:
    gatoraderising wrote:

    I don't know if Elijah would have killed them after the sacrifice, He give Elena his word that no harm would come to them and Elijah seem's like he would keep his word. That seem's like a big thing to the Oringal's. Look he could have just taken Elena and never made the deal with her in the first place.


    1. His promise is worth nothing once Elena is dead.
    2. He clearly stated to Damon that he will get rid of all of them the moment they stop being useful or the moment Klaus is dead. Thats what made Salvatore Brothers move after all.


    Once Elena is dead he would have no reason to kill any of them. With Damon he was more making a threat to him. We have seen that Elijah goes by his word, he could have easily kiiled Rose when he killed Trevor but he didn't.

    Like i said before Elijah had NO reason to even make Elena a deal in the first place. If he wanted to he could have killed the Brother's and take Elena away before he ever made a deal with Elena.


    The Salvatores didn't want ANY part of Elijah's plan, particularly the part where he KILLS / SACRIFICES Elena. Hence they moved against him. I doubt either Stefan or Damon are anymore capable of caring of what happens to THEM if Elena is dead.
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    gatoraderising wrote:
    Once Elena is dead he would have no reason to kill any of them. With Damon he was more making a threat to him. We have seen that Elijah goes by his word, he could have easily kiiled Rose when he killed Trevor but he didn't.


    Like i said before Elijah had NO reason to even make Elena a deal in the first place. If he wanted to he could have killed the Brother's and take Elena away before he ever made a deal with Elena.


    Also a great point, if Elijah would've wanted he could've snatched Elena the first chance he had, after all, Jenna had already invited him inside the house: he didn't need the Salvatore. So the only reason he made the deal with Elena was because he planned to fulfill it (the Salvatore were safe, they only killed him because they are dumb asses).

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    ionee24 wrote:

    gatoraderising wrote:
    Once Elena is dead he would have no reason to kill any of them. With Damon he was more making a threat to him. We have seen that Elijah goes by his word, he could have easily kiiled Rose when he killed Trevor but he didn't.


    Like i said before Elijah had NO reason to even make Elena a deal in the first place. If he wanted to he could have killed the Brother's and take Elena away before he ever made a deal with Elena.


    Also a great point, if Elijah would've wanted he could've snatched Elena the first chance he had, after all, Jenna had already invited him inside the house: he didn't need the Salvatore. So the only reason he made the deal with Elena was because he planned to fulfill it (the Salvatore were safe, they only killed him because they are dumb asses).



    Duh, the Salvatores didn't kill him to save THEMSELVES.
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    gamrgrl007 wrote:
    ionee24 wrote:

    gatoraderising wrote:
    Once Elena is dead he would have no reason to kill any of them. With Damon he was more making a threat to him. We have seen that Elijah goes by his word, he could have easily kiiled Rose when he killed Trevor but he didn't.


    Like i said before Elijah had NO reason to even make Elena a deal in the first place. If he wanted to he could have killed the Brother's and take Elena away before he ever made a deal with Elena.


    Also a great point, if Elijah would've wanted he could've snatched Elena the first chance he had, after all, Jenna had already invited him inside the house: he didn't need the Salvatore. So the only reason he made the deal with Elena was because he planned to fulfill it (the Salvatore were safe, they only killed him because they are dumb asses).



    Duh, the Salvatores didn't kill him to save THEMSELVES.


    No they killed him to save Elena but thats not really the point. Actully if i remember right Damon wanted to kill him before he ever found out that Elijah plan was to kill Elena then kill Klaus. Which know we see killing Elijah the first two times was a waste of time seeing how Elena just pulled out the dagger.
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    Caroline in Chains and Matt with a Gun...Could this be the disturbing phone call that Tyler gets.

    If you watch the promo after Klaus, it shows Matt with a gun and a few clips later Caroline in chains.

    Poor girl....
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    Am I bad that the moment Elena Said "close your eyes", i thought "and then she stabs him with a sword"? He he he....
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