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    TriforceV

    [1]Mar 16, 2013
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    Alright,


    First of all, I love the show, its great drama and enjoyable suspense.
    Having said that however, there is one thing that prevents metrulyenjoying the series guilt free; that thing is the weak plot/back-story that just toounbelievablefor metrulyembrace this world of fantasy.

    Sure, most tv series have smallunbelievableelements or faults, walking dead being no exception to this. Nevertheless all the small nuances of unbelievablitycan always be forgiven... but when it comes to main plot,that iswhere I seem to draw the line.

    Let me list some of the problems I have,


    1. "Zombie Apocalypse" -- here is a world in which zombies rule and the few remaining survivors try to stay alive in bands or groups. First of all how did things get so bad? Sure a zombie will bite someone and they will die and hence become a zombie. But these monstersaren'texactly organized or intelligent. how is that whole populations of civilized people are wiped out so quickly? even if you take into account the mysterious virus that morphs a dead human into a zombie. This still doesn't explain how so many people simply died. This type ofApocalypsemight happen but it would be gradually. So how did it happen? do the writers ever reveal this in the show or their comic books?


    2. "No Government intervention" --- Along with thepopulation, the government, military and generally organized communities and groups simplydisappear. We are tobelievethat Rick's group, who started out as a band of misfits with women and children and lowly hunting weapons manage to survive, but the military doesn't?, with their tanks, army,militaryfighters etc...? How can zombies take out a Tank exactly? or subdue a military base with heavyweaponry? This too isn't addressed.


    All in all, the survival of the apocalypse with roaming zombies make for great story telling, and the shows done a good job to express the ugly side of human survival. But I really wish they would give us some more convincing insight into the backstore or plot that the show's foundation is built, try and attempt to make it morebelievable. I know they want to keep some things open to interpretation, but this is just too wide a gap to ignore


    At least for me, it's really bugging me that they neglect these very important reasons.


    Anyone else have similar issues with the main plot?

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    slapcrappy6152

    [2]Mar 17, 2013
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    i truly understand your faults with the main plot. But i like it when they dont detail a show to death. I don't have to see something to figure out what i think happened. Leave it up to your imagination. Not someone else's.

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    maritimer00

    [3]Mar 17, 2013
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    If you read or see anything involving an apocalyptic type event, the one thing that causes the changes like in Walking Dead is at the root of all: breakdown in society and the structure within. When a zombie outbreak or killer virus or similar breaks out, man tends to go into a "every man for himself" type thinking...that means soldiers don't work the bases, people aren't ensuring the power stays on and so on. If it sounds far fetched, look how Europe handled the Black Death...villages/hamlets would seal themselves off from any outsiders to prevent infection (like Woodbury in TWD). If you want to watch any movies of a similar genre, stuff like Romero's Dead trilogy or the upcoming World War Z flick touch upon these themes...the only thing different for Walking Dead is that Rick wakes up from a coma in the series opening ep. and the chaos is well underway and then some after an unknown passage of time.

    Edited on 03/17/2013 11:47am
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    MrShotShot

    [4]Mar 23, 2013
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    Give World War Z a read - I don't have a lot of faith in the upcoming movie, so stick with the book. Max Brooks does a good job detailing how such a virus can spread and quickly overwhelm a population - initial shock, not believing what's going on, government trying to cover it up, military not trained to combat such a threat, etc. Also keep in mind that 'zombies' don't exist in many of these realities, so folks don't really know how to combat them initially.


    Kirkman also adds the aspect that everyone is infected and is carrying the virus. You somewhat dismiss this fact in your post, but it's huge when you consider that roughly 200,000 die daily on this planet. That's almost a million and a half new zombies each and every week without factoring in anything other than normal attrition of the human population.


    As to your comment about the tanks and the military in general, well, you're right, zombies can't defeat a tank. But tanks aren't designed to fight zombies. Tanks are designed to fight other tanks. A depleted uranium sabot round can go through another tank like a hot knife through butter, but fire it into a hoard of 10,000 zombies and you might take out a few dozen tops. And while tanks may be indestructible to zombies, they require fuel, ammo, and crews. Crews require food, water, sleep, medical care, etc. Also keep in mind that the military doesn't operate in a vacuum, they have loved ones and friends they are concerned about as well. Is a soldier going to stay on the line and fight when his/her spouse and babies may be fighting for their lives back home? Probably not.


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    OdumC

    [5]Mar 23, 2013
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    Yeah it's easy to say "Oh a zombie, shoot it in the head BLAM outbreak stopped" but when the lore doesn't exist, most gun training involves shooting the center mass. the chest. the head is a lot harder to hit on a swaying moving target than the center mass, so they get shot, maybe go down, get forgotten as the shooter picks another target just to creep back up on him or they stay up and keep coming.

    multiple people trying to restrain a lone zombie not knowing the danger all get nipped or bit, they turn and the cycle expands outward exponentially.

    Sure an outbreak wouldn't make sense in a society steeped in the lore, but say an outbreak occurred where you had to shoot them in the right hand or something. how long would it be before that became the known way to end the threat and how much carnage would happen until it was common knowledge?

    Headshots are for video games and tv shows/movies. Only the highest trained snipers rely on headshots.
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    NicolasThomas

    [6]Mar 23, 2013
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    I think they should make the zombies more likeresidentevil more faster and smarter. Overall they are going the right direction they candeferentiallykeep the show going with camp wars and upgrade the zombies, i thinkthat'swhats going to happen but the last few eps has been boring but i love the show most def.

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    ionee24

    [7]Mar 24, 2013
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    NicolasThomas wrote:

    I think they should make the zombies more likeresidentevil more faster and smarter.


    And I think that would ruin the show: anyone can watch an average zombie movie or play the standard video game.

    Only cable suscribers get to have an original story out of the best zombie material.
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    OdumC

    [8]Mar 24, 2013
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    Yeah the entire draw of this show is, It's not about the zombies, it's about the survivors. Zombies have always been part of the background. a dangerous part sure, but the point is, other people are more dangerous.


    Besides that, the sprinting zombies are the worst thing to happen to the genre ever. Most of the movies with them have the distinction that they aren't zombies so much as infected (as in with the Rage Virus like in 28 days/weeks later) they could still be cured because they never died.


    these are the literal walking dead. they've shown in the episode with the CDC that all higher brain functions shut down and a basic new pathway emerges. they're literally lucky enough to walk. Pretty much all the outside source agree though that unlike a living human, who exerts themselves and torn muscles rebuild stronger, the dead don't heal so torn muscles stay torn and damaged so if anything, they should get slower.

    Edited on 03/24/2013 5:15pm
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    fujin_mage

    [9]Mar 26, 2013
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    1. EVERYONE is infected, everyone has been infected from day one of the outbreak,it takes a bite, or death, to become a walker, now concider how many peapole who die every day from other causes than walkers... now think just how many walkers a day that is, djuring the begining of the outbreak.


    2. Everything fell appart. jenner said that when the survivors were at the cdc, again once people start dying, it starts a chain reaction and chaos takes over, ever since everyone becomes a walker when they die, you cannot contain it.


    sidenote:


    1. no walker took out a tank, the human inside died there, and became a walker


    2. reading youre post, makes me think you havent wached season2 to completion...



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    JessicaLind1

    [10]Mar 28, 2013
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    And I can't help but to think of the lack of weapons, like guns for instance. Ypu might all live in the USA where lots of people own guns but I live in Europe where guns are very restricted. No one that I know owns a gun. I wouldn't even know where to look for one should there be a sudden outbreak of zombies. I think europe would probably fall really fast because a lot of people would have to find other things to defend themselves with. I have a tennis-racket in the closet and a really large wrench in my toolbox...maybe that would work.
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    Helostwin

    [11]Mar 28, 2013
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    JessicaLind1 wrote:
    And I can't help but to think of the lack of weapons, like guns for instance. Ypu might all live in the USA where lots of people own guns but I live in Europe where guns are very restricted. No one that I know owns a gun. I wouldn't even know where to look for one should there be a sudden outbreak of zombies. I think europe would probably fall really fast because a lot of people would have to find other things to defend themselves with. I have a tennis-racket in the closet and a really large wrench in my toolbox...maybe that would work.


    No military base or government armory around? Is there a nearby Police station ( they might not CARRY guns but I bet they HAVE them) , or a shooting club? A hunting lodge? I'm sure I read farmers allowed guns to kill nuisance wildlife? I'm sure you can find guns in all of those places. Even in socialist Europe.
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    OdumC

    [12]Mar 29, 2013
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    the point was, guns are a lot more scarce over there than they are here in the US where you can go to Wal-Mart and buy a gun and some households have multiple guns.
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    JessicaLind1

    [13]Mar 29, 2013
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    Yeah that's what I meant. There are a few military bases in my country but the military is not very well equipped because the government have been saving money on our defenses. Of course the police must have some guns but again not as many as in the states. No big armouries! Maybe some farmers have hunting licenses but not all of them. And just because you have a hunting license does not mean you can own several guns, maybe one or two rifles. Shooting guns for sport isn't very common here so very few shooting ranges.

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    Helostwin

    [14]Mar 30, 2013
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    Oh, okay. I understand.
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    fujin_mage

    [15]Mar 31, 2013
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    I live in a small european country were guns are very resticted, mashine guns are outlawed here, not even the police have mashine guns, only military has mashine guns here. The police have handguns, but i think they are VERY well locked in and hidden at the police stations. Only people with hunting licence are allowed riffels, but you are not allowed to store alot of ammo at home if you have one, and getting a hunting licence requires you pass hard exames and regular tests.
    I have a licence to collect blades longer than 2,8 inches (you need a licence if you have a blade longer than that) the penalty are severe, if you do have a largere blade without a licence ( 2+ years in jail) so basically we europeeans are fucked
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    fujin_mage

    [16]Mar 31, 2013
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    I live in a small european country were guns are very resticted, mashine guns are outlawed here, not even the police have mashine guns, only military has mashine guns here. The police have handguns, but i think they are VERY well locked in and hidden at the police stations. Only people with hunting licence are allowed riffels, but you are not allowed to store alot of ammo at home if you have one, and getting a hunting licence requires you pass hard exames and regular tests.
    I have a licence to collect blades longer than 2,8 inches (you need a licence if you have a blade longer than that) the penalty are severe, if you do have a largere blade without a licence ( 2+ years in jail) so basically we europeeans are fucked
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    olafweyer

    [17]Apr 1, 2013
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    You run, you escape.
    You run, you escape.
    You run, you escape.
    You over exhausted yourself. You. Are. Dead.
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    Helostwin

    [18]Apr 1, 2013
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    I am really beginning to dislike where the storyline is going:

    First Rick won't let Tyreeses group stay, then he tries to get Michonne killed for wanting to stay, then he lets Backpack guy die instead of taking him in, then his psycho son shoots a kid who wanted to switch sides. BUT THEY LET A WHOLE BUSLOAD OF USELESS F-----G SENIOR CITIZENS JOIN THE GROUP???
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    OdumC

    [19]Apr 1, 2013
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    First Rick won't let Tyreeses group stay, then he tries to get Michonne killed for wanting to stay, then he lets Backpack guy die instead of taking him in

    All this happened back when he was in charge and borderline having a breakdown. he's given up the leader role and made it a group decision.

    "useless senior citizens"? anyone can be taught to point and shoot a gun. even an old person can jab a spike through the fence to kill a walker. older people usually have a wealth of knowledge that could be very beneficial.

    Not to mention not everyone in Woodbury was old. the Governors been losing his fighting force which was predominantly the men. he said he lost 8 to Merle, then around 20 to the prison raid (mostly by his own hand) we'll say an even 30. They had close to 80 people in woodbury, which means they picked up a lot of women and children as well as old people. that turns into a lot of hands to share the work of turning that prison into fort knox.
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    Helostwin

    [20]Jul 31, 2013
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    I just read ("Hunley Newsletter") that when an unembalmed body decomposes the fingers fall off first, then the hands & then the head after about 12 weeks( remember how Lacy Peterson's body was recovered?). So realistically the Walkers should have all been gone in 3 months.
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