The West Wing

Season 7 Episode 7

The Debate (West Coast)

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Aired Wednesday 9:00 PM Nov 06, 2005 on NBC
8.4
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A "live" debate episode! This episode will feature a live debate between Santos and Vinick. Two versions will air. One for the East Coast of the U.S. and one for the West Coast of the U.S. Because of this there will be two episode guides but both will carry the same production number and the same episode numbers. When contributing please make sure you have to right episode guide. If you'd like to elaborate on the summary or recap just add a .5 at the end of the episode numbers on the submission form. Example: 7.5 or 139.5moreless

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  • about this episode

    10
    This had great sound mixing.
  • Det var okej, men kunde ha varit så mycket mer. Live-avsnitt gjordes bättre i ER 4.01., debattavsnitt gjordes långt mycket bättre i WW 4.06: Game On (som jag därmed tänker se om nu för att göra en direkt jämförelse).moreless

    5.8
    Det var okej, men kunde ha varit så mycket mer. Live-avsnitt gjordes bättre i ER 4.01., debattavsnitt gjordes långt mycket bättre i WW 4.06: Game On (som jag därmed tänker se om nu för att göra en direkt jämförelse).



    Faktum var att det inte blev mycket mer spännande än de flesta verkliga debatter, och det känns som att man hade kunnat ta ut svängarna betydligt mer. Visst hjälper det för att öka WW-universumets trovärdighet, men var det det som behövdes? Ingen av de här kandidaterna verkar vara värdiga att följa i Jed Bartlets fotspår, och enda gången som serien verkade komma ihåg sitt eget förflutet istället för att fastna i fejkad politisk debatt var när hans namn kom upp. Det här skulle möjligen ha varit intressant som en DVD-extra, men inte som ett helt avsnitt, definitivt inte utan klipp till vad som pågick bakom scenerna. Och Ellen DeGeneres? Jag har inga ord... och det menar jag inte positivt.



    Positivt: rent tekniskt snyggt, liveaspekten gör det lite spännande (vet inte om den versionen som dök upp på nätet var West Coast eller East Coast-versionen), och båda skådisarna skötte sig väl, främst Alda. Realismen var hög och kändes trovärdig. Men det hettade aldrig riktigt till. Helt enkelt, det påminde för mycket om verkligheten för att vara bra drama och bra TV.



    Och sorgen i att se de förtexterna utan Richard Schiffs namn? Jag kan inte riktigt förklara det...moreless
  • El debate entre Santos y Vinick rumbo a las elecciones presidenciales toma un rumbo inesperado cuando ambos candidatos optan por la opcion de "no reglas" y asi exponer mejor sus posiciones ante el publico.moreless

    9.5
    Santos y Vinick, en el capitulo anterior, acordaron un debate dominical, y asi poner fin a la serie de especulaciones sobre si debatirian o no. Con un moderador optimo, ambos presidenciables exponen los principales temas como son: Problema migratorio en la frontera; impuestos; educacion; salud; seguridad laboral; fuentes alternas de energia. Los dimes y diretes estuvieron a la orden de la presentacion. Ambos personajes representaron bien sus papeles, al grado de iniciar un debate propio para ganar la confianza y aceptacion del publico.

    ***

    Despues de ver este episodio, me di cuenta que hacer television es ver The West Wing. La idea del debate "en vivo" y "sin reglas" no es habitual para que un publico lo asimile en primera instancia. No solo por la calidad del formato televisivo (fondo de la escenografia, iluminacion, maquillaje, vestimenta...) sino tambien por el contenido del guion. Asi como se ha mencionado los temas debatidos, tambin es bueno apuntar que la actuacion del "publico" sobretodo cuando el debate se encandila y es necesario echar a uno de ellos por alterar la tranquilidad del mismo.

    Dentro de la saga de TWW, este episodio saltara a la historia debido a que fue realizado en vivo y en directo, una estrategia que se va dando este año dentro de la cadena NBC con sus programas lideres.

    No sabemos quien ganara las elecciones, pero es casi seguro saber que el gran beneficiado es el publico luego de ver este episodio.moreless
  • Its the debate between Senator Arnold Vinick and Representative Matthew Santos in the POTUS campaign.

    9.6
    Excellent episode. The only reason I gave it a 9.6 is because Ellen DeGeneres in the filler parts was so incredibly annoying. My West Wing "jumped the shark" moment. However, the "debate without rules" was an excellent idea. We truly saw Vinick as a conservative and Santos as a liberal even though they hope to be painted as otherwise (liberal-moderate w/i their party for both). I thought that Forrest Sawyer did a good job. And this episode had a first in which no original cast members that remain on the show (Allison Janney, John Spencer, Bradley Whitford, and Martin Sheen) appear. Only Alan Alda and Jimmy Smits in additon to should be regular Janeane Garofalo. So...enjoy...excellent debate. Far outshines the 4th season debate between Bartlett and Ritchie in which we didn't see much of the debate.moreless
  • I normally hate gimiky TV. That said, I have to say that this was an excellent episode of the West Wing. Felt more like I was watching a play than TV and is a perfect example of why the West Wing is such a great show.moreless

    8.8
    The essence of the West Wing is that, every week, we get a fantasy picture of what we wish American Presidential politics would be like. Whether we agree or disagree with the issues (I frequent disagree) its nice to fantasize that our politcs could be as rosy and noble as portrayed on the West Wing.



    \"Debate\" is one of those golden West Wing episodes that allows us a glimpse of what could be. A glimpse of the potential each Presidential debate actually has. A glimpse of something that could be if, you know, we had honest politicians. That fact is, I wish a real Presidential debate could be done without \"rules\" and, I bet, most people do. In that format the truth has a much better chance come out of the spin, rehtoric and blather the recent Presidential debates produce. Of course, we all know that will never happen. At least the West Wing lets us experience the fantasy for an hour every week.moreless
Alan Alda

Alan Alda

Senator Arnold Vinick (Episodes 123-)

Jimmy Smits

Jimmy Smits

Matthew Santos (Episodes 114-)

Forrest Sawyer

Forrest Sawyer

HImself/Moderator

Guest Star

Ron Silver

Ron Silver

Bruno Gianelli

Recurring Role

Patricia Richardson

Patricia Richardson

Shelia Brooks

Recurring Role

Janeane Garofalo

Janeane Garofalo

Louise Thornton

Recurring Role

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  • TRIVIA (2)

    • This version is the one used for all the repeats in syndication and on Bravo.

    • Although the debate episode was done twice, only the West Coast version appears on the Season 7 DVD, and the parts with Ellen DeGeneres were edited out. It would have been nice to have both versions on the set, just for curiosity sake.

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  • NOTES (5)

    • The episode won an Emmy Award for Outstanding Multi-Camera Sound Mixing for a Series or Special.

    • This is the only episode of the entire series in which none of the show's original cast members appear. In fact, with the exception of Bruno Gianelli (Ron Silver), none of the characters from this episode appeared on the show prior to Season 6.

    • The poll on the NBC.com website asks "Who do you think won the debate?" and shows results Santos 71% Vinick 29%.

    • Vinick's reference to a school voucher program for Washington D.C. refers to Episode 103, "Full Disclosure" in season 5, when it was passed into law.

    • Kristin Chenoweth, Allison Janney, Mary McCormack, John Spencer, Bradley Whitford, and Martin Sheen do not appear in this episode. Stockard Channing, Dulé Hill, Joshua Malina, Richard Schiff also do not appear and are therefore uncredited.

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