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Official Discussion Thread - "Clarifications" (S05E08) (Spoilers)

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    E_Queen

    [21]Feb 20, 2008
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    Ok, I just moved to an area that has no on demand until June. I didn't know there was a world with no OD. Anywho, I have to wait until Sunday and of course I couldn't hold out from reading the post. Plese enlighten me on Michael and his role in all of this. Also what job does Dooky get? Thanks in advance.
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    peekone

    [22]Feb 20, 2008
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    E_Queen wrote:
    Ok, I just moved to an area that has no on demand until June. I didn't know there was a world with no OD. Anywho, I have to wait until Sunday and of course I couldn't hold out from reading the post. Plese enlighten me on Michael and his role in all of this. Also what job does Dooky get? Thanks in advance.

    Dukie becomes an "Arab" sellin' stuff on a wagon, much like "Bubbles' Depot." Michael doesn't really have a play in this episode in the death of Omar, but something may be revealed next week. I doubt that he ordered Kenard to kill Omar though.
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    MyNameIsYogourt

    [23]Feb 20, 2008
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    I can't believe Omar is dead. I saw it yesterday but I still can't believe it ...
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    Stingseven

    [24]Feb 20, 2008
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    I always watch this show from a different perspective since I was born and raised in Baltimore -- it seems every episode I find myself saying "omigod, I know EXACTLY where that is!!!" My uncle's house was shown constantly in season four (or was that three?) when the "war on drugs" was "re-districted." I am amazed at how accurately the show portrays things.

    In Baltimore there are men, called "a-rabs" who move along horse-driven carriages taking whatever junk you don't want and... selling it, I guess. I never asked what exactly they do with it. Just like Dookie encountered. I had no idea what was going on with the cat either!

    When Sen Davis does his famous "sheeeee-it", I swear my father used to do that too before he died. Pulls my heart strings. LOL

    And, dammit, I am bummed about Omar! I guess that's the game, right? I personally did NOT see that coming. Like some one else noted though, Omar resorting to hollering in the street in frustration that he can't get to Marlo was as desperate as we've ever seen him. I was really hoping for a Peter/Sylar style showdown, or at least hoping Omar got to Chris and Snoop (can't wait til she gets hers). Michael should just snatch up a days profits and leave town with Dookie. There is NO GOOD coming for him. McNulty and Templeton's just desserts are arriving simultaneously, just like their good fortune. I think the last scene with the ME was meant to be irony. As important a man as Omar was on the street (to the point where his name made children run for their lives), in the end, you are just a slab of meat in a bag. And sometimes a mislabeled one. Also think about what McNulty's girlfriend said, "in the end, all you have is your family and maybe a couple of friends. If you're lucky." Omar didn't even have THAT.
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    Disco_Joe

    [25]Feb 21, 2008
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    Omar should have gone into hiding and bided his time after the fall. Instead, he resorted to wandering the streets with a pathetic limp like some madman, just ASKING to get popped. When he was yelling in the street after clearing the corner I was thinking that it would be really easy for someone to pop out one of the windows and light his ass up. He was thinking with his emotions instead of logic, just the kind of the thing that did Avon in. Carelessness got him killed.
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    rockin01

    [26]Feb 21, 2008
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    Disco_Joe wrote:
    Omar should have gone into hiding and bided his time after the fall. Instead, he resorted to wandering the streets with a pathetic limp like some madman, just ASKING to get popped. When he was yelling in the street after clearing the corner I was thinking that it would be really easy for someone to pop out one of the windows and light his ass up. He was thinking with his emotions instead of logic, just the kind of the thing that did Avon in. Carelessness got him killed.
    Fascinating point. Does anyone else here think that Omar might have subconsciously been looking for someone to put him out of his misery? The brotha was just a pathetic shell of himself, and he had to know he stood no real chance in the long run against Marlo's minions. I just can't get that final shot of him in the morgue out of my head...he looked like he had found peace at last.
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    Stingseven

    [27]Feb 22, 2008
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    Personally, I think we may be overthinking Omar's actions a bit.

    He wanted Marlo. Been trying to get him for days, figured out where Marlo was hiding, but got his leg busted up in the process. So, first, he hits Marlo where "he lives" -- he takes some of Marlo's drugs and dumps them in a sewer. That probably felt good, but not enough. So, he starts yelling in the street, calling Marlo a punk (because name-calling alone gets Marlo fired up for some reason. Something Michael and I just don't get), hoping to eventually draw him out. Done. So he goes to buy some Newports, soft-pack. Bang, the game wins again. That's really all there is. I don't think there was a subconscious desire to die at all in that. In fact, Omar, other than Marlo, had everything he wanted. He and his boy where living somewhere tropical, buying groceries and stuff... until his buddy got killed by Marlo & Co. Time for payback.

    BTW, he DID go into hiding after the fall. But bide his time to do what? Hope Marlo happens to wander by? It took someone crazy to actually take on Omar -- Kenard is definitely damaged, and he ended up shooting Omar in the back of the head (cowardly). I don't think he was under any orders (in fact, we know he wasn't), he just got bored torturing the cat and went for the next thrill. The look on his face seeing dead Omar haunts me something fierce.
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    Goodlivn20

    [28]Feb 22, 2008
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    Disco_Joe wrote:
    When he was yelling in the street after clearing the corner I was thinking that it would be really easy for someone to pop out one of the windows and light his ass up. He was thinking with his emotions instead of logic, just the kind of the thing that did Avon in. Carelessness got him killed.

    Omar was careless but no more than he ever was

    would it have been easy for him to get popped on the street? sure, but how about those times when he would turn his back to the stash house and they would just drop a bag out the window. it would have been just as easy to stick a gun out the window as a bag....hell he wasnt even looking

    how about when Omar walked to the store with a bathrobe on for cereal. again careless and again easy prey but again its what the writers wanted. Man-of-steel type stuff

    the way people scatter when Omar is seen isnt realistic and as soon as the writers wanted him dead it would take no more than a little kid with a gun to get the job done...kenard could have popped Omar in the alley if he was playing with a gun instead of a cat. Omar never even looks at people when he walks by because he was 'supah-man'

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    Disco_Joe

    [29]Feb 23, 2008
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    He should have waited for his leg to heal, at least.
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    malcovio

    [30]Feb 23, 2008
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    I just thought I'd let whoever didn't know that the Wire soundtrack that says "five years of music from the wire" has a spoiler for episode 509.
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    peekone

    [31]Feb 23, 2008
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    malcovio wrote:
    I just thought I'd let whoever didn't know that the Wire soundtrack that says "five years of music from the wire" has a spoiler for episode 509.

    The Michael/Dukie conversation?
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    malcovio

    [32]Feb 23, 2008
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    Yeah.
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    peekone

    [33]Feb 24, 2008
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    It's not exactly a straight-forward spoiler though is it? And how do you know it's from 509?
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    malcovio

    [34]Feb 24, 2008
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    It says its from 509: Late Editions in the booklet.
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    rockin01

    [35]Feb 24, 2008
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    Ok, you guys are killin' me- what exactly is the spoiler you are talking about (I don't have the aforementioned CD)?

    Off Topic: Beadie wuz robbed tonight at the Oscars, yo. ROBBED!

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    lawgotham

    [36]Feb 24, 2008
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    I hate to see Omar get done it, I would have liked to see him get Marlo, but..that's okay. I just hope they get Marlo in the end.
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    malcovio

    [37]Feb 24, 2008
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    rockin01 wrote:

    Off Topic: Beadie wuz robbed tonight at the Oscars, yo. ROBBED!



    Totally.
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    Plonked

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    I had forgotten that Tha Wire was up to download, I should smack myself for forgetting about it. *SMACK*

    My jaw is still on the ground Omar is gone. Im still in shock. I yelled out when it happened, I swore very loud. When the next sceen started I just wanted to fast foward to find out more about Omar.

    When Omar was walking the streets he had a bad limp but when he was walking into the corner shop the limp wasnt there so much. Was he faking his limp a little to make them all think that he is messed up bad still?

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    peekone

    [39]Feb 26, 2008
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    rockin01 wrote:

    Ok, you guys are killin' me- what exactly is the spoiler you are talking about (I don't have the aforementioned CD)?

    Off Topic: Beadie wuz robbed tonight at the Oscars, yo. ROBBED!


    The music cd for The Wire, "5 years of Music on The Wire" has like a few quotes/excerpts from episodes, and one was the now aired Michael/Dukie convo when they're ion the car. You can preview the whole CD on Amazon.com if you wanna check it out.
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    bigpuppax

    [40]Feb 27, 2008
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    rockin01 wrote:

    Okay...I guess I'm ready to talk about some of the OTHER things that happened in this excellent episode. In no particular order:

    * The walloping good scene between Beadie and McNulty. Girlfriend, ain't havin' NONE o' his BS, is she?

    * Bunk. Is. The. Man. Love his dogged work ethic, and his righteous indignation at the antics of Freamon and McNulty gets more intense and hilarious each week. Plus, brotha is the only one who seemed to really be saddened by Omar's passing.

    * There may be hope that Kima will not become the female McNulty after all. The "goodnight moon" scene at the end of the last ep had me misty-eyed, and man, was she p*ssed when she found out the Homeless Killer was a ruse. The scene where she confronts Lester and Sydnor was classic...they looked like two schoolboys caught watching porn by Mom. Kudos to Sydnor, though, for cracking Marlo's code. Who knew he'd be the new Prezbo?

    * Gus. Is. The. Man. I wanted to stand up and cheer when he put his foot down to the managing editor and sashayed out of the office. Templeton's days are numbered. And Fletcher looks like he may have a Pulitzer-worthy story on his hands.

    * Carcetti has become such a nakedly ambitious weasel...it's hard to watch him anymore. The scene where Clay Davis shakes him down for two seats on the Liquor Board is a classic...sheeeeeeiiiit! It took Lester's brazen bluff to wipe that sheeeeiit-eating grin off Davis' face.

    * Lol at Rawls' diatribe: "I'm all for a little kinky sh*t, but chewin on a homeless fella?".

    * Snoop and Chris' shock and dismay at learning the means of Omar's demise was priceless. And the tension between Michael and Snoop doesn't bode well for someone... God, I hate Marlo's arrogant azz!

    * Poot sighting! His advice to Dukie sucked, though. Dukie...a junk apprentice? That's a job?

    * Loved McNulty's uneasy reaction to the spot-on FBI profile. Thought the bit with the pompous FBI boss was a bit overdone, though.

    * Carver. Is. The. Man. (that sounds strangely familiar) It's great to see what a solid Police he has become. But I hate seeing him get mixed up in Jimmy's shenanigans.

    * Finally, I have to give a shout out to MKW's haunting performance in this episode. A shadow of himself, Omar prowling the streets like a wounded animal, bellowing out his endless and increasingly hollow-sounding challenges to Marlo is an indelible and heartbreaking image.

    Terriffic post. If I had to pick the single best moment it would be the FBI profiling. MKW was indeed awesome as was the glimpse of Kenard's future.

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