Veronica Mars

Season 2 Episode 6

Rat Saw God

Aired Tuesday 9:00 PM Nov 09, 2005 on UPN
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  • Episode Summary

    Veronica is shocked when a dying Abel Koontz shows up asking for her help in finding his missing daughter before he dies.

    Meanwhile, Logan is reunited with his father when he is arrested for Felix's murder, and Keith waits for the results of the election.

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    • One very memorable scene in an otherwise average episode

      To me this episode wasn't very special, with that one exception. One of many favourite scenes of Veronica Mars actually.

      Scene set in jail with Logan meeting his if-you-can't-afford-a-lawyer lawyer Clifford McCormack (the shows recurring guest star Daran Norris) after again be arrested for the murder of Felix. Veronica phones Cliff for a favour, and Logan get to see one of Cliff's specaialities and not to mention get a glimse of how Veronica gets her information as he recognise the e-mail adress Cliff gives the World-Telekom operator.

      Daran Norris have several memorable scenes in the show, but this is probably the one I'll always remember him by. A very talented recurring actor and a very good role overall.moreless
    • Weidman + Veronica

      I really like Kane software's security boss Weidman. He is surrounded in mystery and we still don't know what role Kane Software plays in the whole thing. I liked the fact that this episode was related to the crash. At some points during season one the writers got away from the murder and let Veronica take on a couple of high school cases first. This season seems to be sticking a little bit better to the overall story of the season. Logan meets up with his father again in jail as he was arrested for the murder of Felix. He eventually makes bail, but I didn't see the scene with his father being needed. I didn't like Logan for the first part of season one, then he got with Veronica and I liked him a lot, and now I'm back to not liking him again. Duncan is taking a back role this season and Wallace is taking a couple of episodes off to be with his Dad somewhere else. Even with the loss of some pretty big names and Logans return to being hated by everyone - the show still finds a way to keep me pulled in. Very interested to see if they can pull out this storyline over the entire season.moreless
    • An episode that defines season 2.

      I think season 2 is not only about the bus crash. Obviously it is the backbone of the season and it is going to be the end game, but next to that, this season deals with the fallout from season 1's revelations and happenings.

      This episode is a prime example of that: the episode's "higher goal" is to investigate the bus crash but during that, lots of things are happening.

      I loved this episode, and that would be the first reason. Loved the amount of season 1 elements. Clarence Wiedman, Aaron Echolls, Abel Koontz... they were awesome. I especially loved Logan being locked up with Aaron - it was bound to happen, and it finally did. I found it somewhat surprising that Aaron still claims that he didn't kill Lily. And even more surprising that he believes he has a strong case - that he will find a way out of the prison.

      Clarence's involvment was great. Abel appearing at Veronica's at the beginning of the episode was unforeseen and I liked that storyline alot. It started off like any other favour Veronica would do for a random person but ended up being rather dark and twisted - the definition of noir. You mix that with the teen drama and you get classic Veronica Mars.

      Plenty of other things happened too. Keith losing the election while wasn't a surprise it wasn't set up as one(it happened right at the beginning); after the previous episode it was obvious. Keith is not willing to get his hands dirty,whereas Lamb is. Cliff doing Veronica a favor infront of Logan = win. Also, featuring Joss Whedon.... win. Veronica faking a photo gallery picture for his father... win. And really, there were lots of small moments like that.

      The occasional comic relief was great in this episode, so was the rest of it; by the end I did feel sorry for Abel Koontz and it really felt that the plot progressed alot; with style. Bottomline is that I loved this episode, "exactly why I watch this show".moreless
    • What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas

      OK. First of all.

      GIA: What do you think about Dick?

      Veronica: ....

      Veronica: Oh, Dick Casablancas? Haha! How could the writers get away with this?(Well, this ain't the first time they do a joke like this, but... wow... I rofl'd). Onto the episode: a masterpiece, that's what it was. A nice amount of callback to season 1 which connects the current storylines with season 1's.

      I wanted to mention it in my previous review, but forgot to. Anyway the last episode showed how Keith tried to play nice and clean instead of playing dirty like Lamb, and the results are in: Keith lost the election. Only by 1 percent, but he did. So yes. The world is unfair.

      Anyways, in a nutshell:

      Logan's arrested

      Logan meets up with Aaron

      Aaron still denies he killed Lily

      Keith finds out about Curly's handwriting

      Abel Koontz visits Veronica

      Veronica tracks down the now-dead Amelia Veronica teams up with her season 1 nemesis, Clarence

      Logan's house is burnt down by Weevil and co

      Logan moves in with Duncan

      Keith finds a rat under a seat of the bus that crashed

      Oh! And Joss Whedon guest stars! HA!

      That's about it . Lots of things going on, lots of developments, suspense from start to finish, really well done.

      I like dark toned episodes - like this one. Noir and Veronica Mars are amazing together, so yea, that alone sold this episode to me. The little things in this episode were actualyl what made it a perfect 10 for me. Just some examples : Cliff returning and doing a favour for Veronica right infront of Logan. Veronica faking a picture just to calm Keith down. Veronica's one sided conversations with Wallace, etc

      The occasional comic relief that you except from a VM episode was of course present and It was probably even better than usual. Veronica thinking Logan is Duncan, The Dick joke, Logan's TiVo comment, the receptionist(Naughty doesn't have an O in it)..and the list goes on..

      Season 2 is just a masterpiece so far, I'd say the season average is around 9.5 right now.moreless
    • Veronica helps Abel find his daughter.

      Once again the creators of Veronica mars put out another decent episode. I thought that it was really nice of Veronica to help the dying Abel find his daughter so he could say goodbye. I tought that it was really sad that Veronica found his daughter but she was murdered but I think that it was good that Veronica found her. It was really disappointing that Keith was not elected sheiff but you can not say you did not see that one coming. I want to know why a person came forward to point his finger at Logan for killing Felix. It was funny that Logan was in the same cell as his father.moreless
    David E. Willis

    David E. Willis

    News Anchor #2

    Guest Star

    Christian Clemenson

    Christian Clemenson

    Abel Koontz

    Guest Star

    Greg Baine

    Greg Baine


    Guest Star

    Brandon Hillock

    Brandon Hillock

    Deputy Jerry Sacks

    Recurring Role

    Christopher B. Duncan

    Christopher B. Duncan

    Clarence Wiedman, Jr.

    Recurring Role

    Daran Norris

    Daran Norris

    Cliff McCormack

    Recurring Role

    Trivia, Notes, Quotes and Allusions


    • TRIVIA (2)

      • When Veronica is doing the video chat, the preview window of her own video shows what the camera for the TV show records and not what the webcam records. You can even see the webcam clipped to the notebook in the preview window.

      • At the motel, we don't see Veronica's room number for the first room she buys, but we see that the rooms on the sides are #109 and #111, meaning her room is #110. #110 is the number of her apartment and the number on the locker used for fake IDs in the episode "Clash of the Tritons".

    • QUOTES (18)

      • Veronica: (voiceover) At least, at the end of the day, I get to curl up with my adorable, honest boyfriend.
        (Veronica lies on top of Logan thinking it's Duncan)
        Logan: It's the sweater, isn't it? Chicks can't resist argyle.
        Veronica: Please let go of me.
        Logan: Ever the tease.

      • Veronica: Cliff, come on, you owe me.
        Cliff: I owe you? Who unconfiscated all your fake college IDs?
        Veronica: Who got the Lincoln out of your ex's name?
        Cliff: Well, who helped put that lien against Lee's Walk-In Donut?
        Veronica: And who proved that stripper was color-blind?
        Cliff: Okay, who am I calling and what am I giving them?

      • Logan: And what exactly did I say, huh?
        Cliff: 'The expletive racial expletive had it maternal expletive coming.'

      • Logan: So, my tax dollars at work. Where were you, getting thirds at the Crazy Girls lunch buffet?
        Cliff: Actually, they discontinued the buffet. Some health code thing. Okay, my name is Cliff, I'll be your if-you-cannot-afford-an-attorney attorney. So. What are you trying to prove?
        Logan: Um... my innocence?

      • Aaron: Now, did you come all the way out here just to give me that tough-guy speech?
        Keith: No, I came all the way out here to show you how easily I can get to you.

      • Veronica: I'm looking for someone.
        Motel Manager: Well if it's me, congratulations. Otherwise, unless you get lucky at the Gas-n-Sip, your options are pretty limited around here.

      • (after Keith loses out to Lamb in the election)
        Keith: Well, we'll get them in 2010, folks! Thanks for all the good work.
        Cliff: Ah, look on the bright side, 49% of Neptune still likes you.

      • (Veronica catches motel manager googling something)
        Veronica: Actually, there's no 'o' in 'naughty'.
        Motel manager: It's 'knotty' with a 'k' like a pine. It's research.
        Veronica: Knotty schoolgirls. What will they think of next?

      • Logan: They gave me a lawyer.
        Aaron: A real lawyer, not some public servant with a mail-order diploma and a three hundred dollar suit.
        Cliff: Two for five hundred, actually, but your point remains valid.

      • Veronica: (voiceover) Ibiza. I'd follow up in person, but Dad's pretty conservative about fact-finding trips abroad.

      • Officer: Number four, step forward!
        Logan: Oh, wow, I'm stunned. You like me! You really like me! Well first, I'd just like to say the other, uh, nominees are all such wonderfully gifted criminals. And I wanna thank my agent, and my publicist, for always shooting me from the left side.

      • Veronica: Well, to begin with, my colleague is an unbearable Nazi who couldn't find his own ass with a mirror and a miner's hat.

      • Veronica: Wow. Where'd you learn that interrogation technique?
        Clarence Wiedman: Harvard. That's a pretty convincing hysterical routine you got. Where'd you learn that?
        Veronica: Watching cheerleading tryout results.

      • Hector: Seriously, Bro. People are saying stuff, man.
        Weevil: What do you mean, 'stuff'?
        Hector: I mean, my little brother, the other day, asked me if it's true that PCH stands for Panty Club for Homos.

      • Dick: Wait, did I miss a state proposition or something? Is it now a crime to kill a Mexican?

      • Deputy Sachs: Sheriff would like to have a word with you.
        Logan: And I'd like to be the cream filling of an Olsen twins sandwich, but...

      • Dick: Dude. My stepmom?
        Logan: I'm a total piece of crap.
        Dick: Better you than the cable guy, I guess. And I'd be lying to say if I never perved on your mom while she was prancin' around the pool in that hardly there bikini of hers.
        Logan: Great. So no hard feelings?
        Dick: No, she gave me a few.

      • Veronica: Congrats on your old man. Guess that makes you like Neptune's first daughter? Are you ready for all the parade waving and ribbon cutting?
        Gia: I thought I'd go more Bush twins style. You know, public drunkenness, sluttiness, and minor scandals. Speaking of which, what do you think about Dick?
        Veronica: Uhhh... Casablancas, I assume. Well, what can I say? Dick is just... Dick.

    • NOTES (5)

    • ALLUSIONS (7)

      • Company name: Lariat Rental Car

        Veronica gains information from Amelia DeLongpre's rental car company, the fictitious 'Lariat Rental Car'. Fox Mulder and Dana Scully nearly always rented their cars on The X-Files at 'Lariat Rental Car'.

      • Logan: Seriously though, I was reading The Third Wheel: A Beginner's Guide...

        There is no such book but he could have been alluding to the 2002 movie The Third Wheel starring Luke Wilson, Denise Richards and Ben Affleck.

      • Veronica: World-Telecom. I texted you the number I need run. Nothing melts an operator's heart like an overwrought Fred MacMurray. You're a stud, Cliff.

        Fred MacMurray was a Hollywood actor whose most famous role was that of the slightly stammering Steve Douglas, the widowed patriarch of three sons on the CBS TV series, My Three Sons.

      • Logan: You like me. You really like me.

        This is a quote that Sally Field famously said during her acceptance speech when she won the Academy Award.

      • Episode Title: Rat Saw God

        Allusion to the novel Rats Saw God by series creator Rob Thomas.

      • Aaron: You know, if they'd give you enough press, you'd find a way to put me on the grassy knoll.

        The official story of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy has him shot by a lone gunman, Lee Harvey Oswald, from the Book Depository building in Dealey Plaza. However, many conspiracy theorists claim there was at least one other shooter, and perhaps the most popular theory puts a shooter on the grassy knoll overlooking the assassination site.

      • Logan: Best thing about two days in jail? Two days worth of Ellen on the TiVo.

        A reference to Ellen DeGeneres' hit daytime talk show.

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