We're moving Forums to the Community pages. Click here for more information and updates.

Will & Grace

Season 8 Episode 4

Steams Like Old Times

Aired Monday 9:30 PM Oct 20, 2005 on NBC
out of 10
User Rating
100 votes

By TV.com Users

Episode Summary

Steams Like Old Times
Karen is forced to come to terms with her feelings for her presumed-dead husband when Jack gives his opinion on her men dilemma. Karen refuses to forgive Stan and wants nothing to do with him--until she learns how willingly Stan gave her up to Malcolm. Meanwhile, much to Grace's dismay, the new, altruistic Will begins doting on an elderly man whom he invites to their 10th Anniversary Game Night Spectacular.moreless

Who was the Episode MVP ?

No results found.
No results found.
No results found.
  • Is it just me or is Season 8 trying too hard?! Is it just me, or did the entire sitcom get steadily worse after Season 3/4?!

    Okay, first of all, I love Will and Grace and in my opinion it takes a true fan to be able to point out the faults in something. Man, this was one hell of a fault!

    I am currently re-watching Season 8, (I leant it to someone and they gave it back after I had finished Season 3) and I was shocked and appalled at how un-funny this episode was! The lack of laughter, the laughter at jokes that weren't really funny, it infuriated me!

    Jack and Karen didn't have that same rapport that they have had in the previous Seasons and TBH I think Malcom is just a useless plot point who has the occasional funny line linked with killing someone(or cutting off some of their tongue in this case!)

    Ellen and Larry were just plain boring and the connection between Will and Grace just seemed to flop.

    It seems to me that (SO FAR) this Season is preparing for its wind down before it disappears off of our screens.

  • One way to describe it - Awful as

    This was the worst episode i'd ever seen. Disgusting! I was so upset that nothing funny was happening. It was terrible. Jack should have been loud, outrageous, screaming but he was low-key and mellow. That's not our Jackie.

    Karen asking Jack for approval of her relationship with Malcom. What is she, five?

    It was terrible, boring and not enjoyable. I love Will and Grace with all my heart but if the episodes don't get better from now on i'll be upset.

    Also the story that Larry and Rob couldn't come as their babysitters cancelled...how lame of an excuse. Why did only one partner come!! And that their children are in the same kindergarden...wow! how lame as!

    Go back to basics...and when in the steam room...how bad!!! Too much smoke. It was disgusting. Stan not even talking. I mean, he's a person. We should at least hear his voice...and then Karen getting mad at him and then going back to him for some reason i did not get or understand.

    0 out of 10 for me. It was awful.moreless
  • This episode is a special one to mark Will & Grace's 10th game night spectacular, but it is not so enjoyable at whole!

    This episode is a special one to mark Will & Grace's 10th game night spectacular, but it is not so enjoyable at whole! At some scenes i laughed so much , other than those it is kinda boring!

    I am very happy that Karen had turned back to Stanley because i can't stand Malcolm anymore and it is the right choice for her!

    Will & Grace's game night is so boring that i try to forward but i hope something may come up and i keep on watching!

    All in all, it is not an average Will & Grace episode but it is watchable for the scenes of Karen and Jack!moreless

Trivia, Notes, Quotes and Allusions


  • TRIVIA (5)

  • QUOTES (4)

    • Karen: Thank God I have plans with Malcolm tonight Jack: Malcolm? I can't wait until your Malcolm is your Malcolm Ex.

    • Will: I saw this old photo of him on a beach. It could have been me... except for the Korean War going on in the background.

    • (Clyde admits he is not gay He was once married to a doctor who cheated on him.)
      Will: Wow, he's really not me.
      Larry: He's you, Grace.
      Ellen: (on the phone) Did you hear that, Rob? He's Grace.
      Grace: That's crazy.
      Will: Wait a minute. If you're not gay why are you getting meals from Project Angel Food?
      Clyde: Why not? It's food and it's free.
      Grace: Oh my God, he is me.

    • Karen: ...I want you to accept that and bless our union.
      Jack:I can't do that!
      Karen: Bless it!
      Jack :No!
      Karen: Bless It!!
      Jack: No!!
      (Karen fake sneezes)
      Jack: Bless you!
      Karen: Huuhaha!

  • NOTES (0)


    • Grace: (playing charades) Um, trashy pop singer. She pees in gas stations.
      Clyde: Oh, this is an easy one! Lola Falana.
      Grace: (giving a clue) Oops, I did it again.

      This is in reference to Britney Spears and her first successful single, "Oops! I Did It Again".

    • Episode Title: Steams Like Old Times

      This is a pun on the saying "Seems Like Old Times," when people are remarking on the present being like the past.