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It has come to my attention that discussion on the current WWE product has been dull; with good reason. There's not much positives and the negatives are piling up faster than Vince can say "TOUT." Now, we're on the heels of what I anticipated to be an uneventful "WWE Week" on USA and NBC. The purpose of this thread is for us to discuss the current state of the WWE. In this thread, there is no such thing as "off-topic" as long as it relates to the WWE.

To kick us off on the right foot, the link below is a little over 10 minutes long and it is very entertaining, and worth the time it takes to watch. If you are offended by the F-bomb, I suggest you skip it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk9Rk5I1LVw

With that said, lets discuss.

my major problem is raw guys feuding with smackdown guys like i get everything with the supershow but at the same time at least commit to a brand extension or just end it stop confusing us with all of this and also they should have more special episodes like king of the ring old school raw etc i mean if you want something to boost the ratings then something like that would do the trick like this weeks slammys probably will get higher ratings then the past couple of raws

Problems:

* Thin roster - talk about misusing the guys all you like but at the end of the day most of them just don't have "it"

* Nothing matters - While there have been occasions in the past where the top prize, the WWE championship, played second fiddle to the likes of John Cena and Triple H when they weren't holding it, this was the year that the title was officially downgraded to intercontinental level, as it got to the point that whatever random match John Cena was in would be the main event (vs Rock, vs Brock? Fine. vs Johnny Ace, vs Big Show? Not). The world title has been downgraded even further too, with it now seeming like that main eventing a PPV is out of the question. Bare in mind this is the same belt on the same brand that stars like Undertaker, Triple H, Batista, Jeff Hardy and Edge were warring over on a top level not so long ago.

* Too much - I'm not saying that having all the programmes they do is inherently a bad thing, but it turns out that way when they don't have enough good stuff to fill even one of them.

* No chances taken - Push someone new! Ok, there's Ryback, but that's about it. They should have put the rocket on Daniel Bryan with the reactions he was getting around April, rather than keeping him heel (though he very well may be more entertaining like that).

* Crappy stories, crappy writing, crappy booking

I could go on. I'd recommend that everyone goes and watches some other wrestling (like Ring Of Honor: Final Battle this sunday, which looks awesome! Generico vs Steen has been the hottest feud in America for three years, they're main eventing in a ladder war for the world title, go look up the hype videos on Youtube).

What WWE needs to do is about the same thing a lot of places/shows need to dot hat have gone on for more than ten years: Nuke everything and start over.

Cut the fat out of the roster (Khali, Otunga, Del Rio, most of the ex-Nexus people, Alex Riley, etc.) and let the stars who can wrestle and talk (yes, they do exist, they're just stuck in Mid-card and tag team hell or are currently injured) run the show.

They need to stop recapping every half hour and do more, or at least a bit more, wrestling than talking. Cut back to one show of two hours and fill those hours, expanding only when you get back to being good.

They need female wrestlers who can WRESTLE!!! Hot women who can wrestle exist! They did back when Trish, Jazz, Lita, Holly, Kong, MJ and more were there! They still exist now!

Then, once they have all the talent, and I mean TALENT, together, they need a creative writing team that knows how to write storylines fit for at least good B movies, write the stories and not be neutered by Vince McMahon, hisdaughter and PinociHHHio.

Oh, and it wouldn't hurt to have a commentary team that commentates ON THE MATCH!!! I don't mind a joke or two between the commentary team, or even a comment or two on the main stories, but when Daniel Bryan is going one on one with Dean Ambrose, I don't need to hear about AJ Lee's issues for half the match. Call the match!

-8-10 PPV's

-Brand split made.

-More mic time for mid-card and tag team division.

-CM Punk and John Cena putting guys over.

-Storylines that matter.

-No more shows besides RAW and Smackdown! with RAW going back to 2 hours.

honestly i dont think its pg or kids thats the problem people dont realize wwe was pg for a long time before the attitude era so its not that you can just blame pg that being said i really dont think there is that many problems besides the brand extension the only thing wwe has to do is stop confusing its fans i mean we had ziggler/orton feud a couple months ago and then out of nowhere del rio entered a feud with orton for no reason if wwe could just start having more developed storylines then i think they will be fine

The problem for the WWE is simple to me: Out of Touch.

The WWE no longer knows what works. They have failed to adapt and are stuck using a business model that died in 1980. Instead of going forward, they took a three decade leap backwards. They thought "conservative" Tv is what's needed. No more blood. No more violence. We need a human dinosaur and a cute little Leprechaun who can't speak. How about turning the words "Yes" and "no" into the most annoying words ever? Problem is, that's not entertainment. That's annoyance.

Vince believed he figured out what a "2012" world looks likes when he saw Twitter and Tout. He realized that everyone is using social media. So Vince, being the mad scientist he is decided to make Twitter and Tout(something that only the WWE promotes) an intricate part of his show. Problem is, they over did it. So instead of being entertaining. It became annoying.

1980 ended in 1980. We're in 2012. Everyone agrees that WWE is for kids. Well, kids no longer want to play Mario. That's their grandpa's game. They want to play Halo, and Call of Duty. Blood. Guts. COMPETITION. Vince doesn't see it. Or doesn't believe it. He sees his target market as 4,5,6 years of age. The kids still playing Wii Sports and learning to color between the lines. (John Cena coloring books do exist) Kids in 2012 like villains. They like bad asses. Kids in 1980 wanted to eat their vitamins and drink their milk. John Cena is a 1980 icon: Hustle, Loyalty Respect. Problem is kids today don't hustle, they have credit cards. They aren't loyal, they have 10 cliques. They have no respect, they curse around their parents and challenge their teachers. Perhaps Vince should give us a 2012 icon.

Which leads me to this last thing. I never understood why people like Ryback. He has a stupid but catchy catch phrase "feed me more." Not a great wrestler. And probably can't cut a top notch promo. But then the light bulb came on: Ryback is feeding the starving WWE fans who want something new. Something different. Something current. Ryback is current. He's a human machine. He has crazy strength. For kids, he looks like a mortal Kombat character. For the older fans, he's change. A fresh face. We older people will cheer anything that's fresh. Plus, he's not Cena or Orton. But what about CM Punk? He's fresh. CM Punk is not CM Punk. He's WWE CM Punk. He doesn't realize it, but his edge is gone. His "pipe bombs" have become "water spurts." Punk no longer has it. He's becoming the next John Cena. Over used and shoved down our throats.

Chris Jericho is the only one that figured it out.

What's WWE week?