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    Raccoon1459

    [81]Aug 21, 2012
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    Wisp955 wrote:
    When does TNA come on again?

    You're just anxious to see it, aren't you?
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    Hurricane1123

    [82]Aug 21, 2012
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    ALLPR0 wrote:

    I actually like Jericho and Ziggler's match happening tonight and not at SS. This way Jericho got his last big ppv win (for a while at least) and gets to seemingly ride into the sunset for a while again after tonight's match. If they would have had him lose yesterday then he would have literally lost every ppv match he had entered since his return last January.


    My only complaint is that they didn't make it the real main event by putting Cena and Punk behind it, and that the crowd and announcers both played it off as just a normal main event without any of the high stakes which were actually involved in it. Made the match seem much smaller and moreinsignificantthan it actually was.

    Maybe they did that because Jericho is only going away for a while. Isn't he touring with Fozzy for the end of the Summer and then coming back?

    Anyway, really enjoyable episode of Raw. Shawn Michaels is incredible, even when he's not wrestling he still manages to steal a show. The Brock/HHH stuff at the beginning was good and the Cena/Punk confrontation at the end was great. I don't see why they didn't just do Punk vs. Cena at Summerslam since that's the match everyone wanted to see. It's the second biggest show of the year and they're going to slow it down with the Big Show?!

    So far I think this is the best 3 hour one since the 1000th episode. The pacing has gotten better on these, but I still think 3 hours is too much.
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    Randyspeeps

    [83]Aug 22, 2012
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    Randyspeeps wrote:
    I guess Punk has to beat Cena to define his existence. Yes, because he hasn't done that for the last year. Sadly, people in the GWF universe will believe Cena's garbage. How many times does Punk have to beat Cena? Smh. I love how Punk ignored everything Cena did.


    Bill Pritchard, a writer at Wrestlezone.com wrote the following article. Above is the post I wrote on Monday. It's safe to say, we're on the same page. Enjoy:


    Really, Cena? Really?


    Bill Pritchard


    John Cena told CM Punk that he needed to beat him in Boston at Night of Champions for Punk to earn the respect and credit he wants. Really Cena? He needs to beat you AGAIN to prove he's better than you? It wasn't enough that he already beat you three times over the past 13 months, including beating you twice this past Sunday at Summerslam? Cena fans can argue all they want, but the record says Punk won, Cena and Show lost. It doesn't matter who took the fall or tapped out, Punk outsmarted him and took advantage of a great situation, one that you see happen frequently in triple threats. Cena, it wasn't enough that Punk went into his hometown and beat you, and he beat you on a "neutral" playing field a few months later?


    Cena, I would like to give you a bit of a news flash; I'm pretty sure Boston doesn't love you as much as Chicago loves Punk. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the fans boo you, after all you abandoned the Red Sox for the Rays because they "pink hats" and the Evil Empire now. In my eyes, Punk has the the advantage, and most of what you said on Monday was a bunch of crap. Punk went into a hostile environment and beat you, and he doesn't need to do anything to prove himself to you or the fans. Cena, you need to prove yourself to Punk and the others, because just like you said, you haven't been champion since in almost a year. In fact, what have you done lately? You had a yawnfest of a feud with John Laurinaitis and Big Show, you lost to the Rock, and you lucky punched your way to a win over Brock Lesnar. Brock destroyed you for most of the match, and you came up short at Wrestlemania in your BIGGEST match ever. You think you are the bench mark that everyone needs to measure up to? Cena, you need to start proving yourself again, because you haven't been spectacular lately, and as far as I remember, Punk is three up on you.


    I really wish there was another way this Punk/Cena feud was going down, because you can clearly see I'm not buying Cena's crap. Everything CM Punk is saying is true, and it really feels like WWE just wants to split the fans or just try and get a good pop for Cena in his hometown. I like that they are feuding; I just feel like there is another way to go with it. The language is wrong; I don't want Punk to go down the Miz route of facing off with Jerry Lawler until they get to the pay-per-view. Lawler is fine when he puts over lower card talent, but Punk doesn't need this right now. It seems too forced. Nobody liked Miz two years ago, Punk is still a tweener, so keep it that way. Cena would be much better served as a foil to Sheamus, or someone else at this point. I really wouldn't mind seeing a face Cena versus face Randy Orton feud. They could build it up like they did with Bobby Lashley and Cena a few years ago. Darren Young could feud with Cena over who is the better looking Cena. Shit I don't care, just stop trying to tell me Punk needs to prove himself again when he's done nothing but win.


    I like Punk's mean streak, and he's not doing anything wrong; he's telling the truth. The championship should be on top, and he's the champion. If he needs to beat Cena one more time just to get the top spot and refresh everyone's memory, go ahead Punk, kick some sense back into him. CM Punk picked you because he has a grudge with you overshadowing him, and he's not wrong; he deserves, and earned, the right to go on last, not you. CM Punk is the best because he has the title, and Cena, you need to start proving why you deserve a shot in the first place.

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    zan4

    [84]Aug 22, 2012
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    I would have to agree punk is the champ he should get top billing. What I believe is that they are trying to find a stone cold vs rock feud they trying to write an epic feuded but they are failing to do so
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    Raccoon1459

    [85]Aug 22, 2012
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    zan4 wrote:
    I would have to agree punk is the champ he should get top billing. What I believe is that they are trying to find a stone cold vs rock feud they trying to write an epic feuded but they are failing to do so

    I think I understood what you said there.
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    enervator

    [86]Aug 22, 2012
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    WWE wants desperately for us to believe that Cena is the benchmark for greatness. I honestly don't think there are a whole lot of people left who are buying into that, but they just won't quit.

    Unfortunately, it makes the rest of the roster look ridiculous when the message we're sent over and over is that going over Cena is the only way for them to be considered winners.



    Randyspeeps wrote:


    Randyspeeps wrote:
    I guess Punk has to beat Cena to define his existence. Yes, because he hasn't done that for the last year. Sadly, people in the GWF universe will believe Cena's garbage. How many times does Punk have to beat Cena? Smh. I love how Punk ignored everything Cena did.


    Bill Pritchard, a writer at Wrestlezone.com wrote the following article. Above is the post I wrote on Monday. It's safe to say, we're on the same page. Enjoy:


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    Randyspeeps

    [87]Aug 22, 2012
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    enervator wrote:

    WWE wants desperately for us to believe that Cena is the benchmark for greatness. I honestly don't think there are a whole lot of people left who are buying into that, but they just won't quit.

    Unfortunately, it makes the rest of the roster look ridiculous when the message we're sent over and over is that going over Cena is the only way for them to be considered winners.



    Randyspeeps wrote:


    Randyspeeps wrote:
    I guess Punk has to beat Cena to define his existence. Yes, because he hasn't done that for the last year. Sadly, people in the GWF universe will believe Cena's garbage. How many times does Punk have to beat Cena? Smh. I love how Punk ignored everything Cena did.


    Bill Pritchard, a writer at Wrestlezone.com wrote the following article. Above is the post I wrote on Monday. It's safe to say, we're on the same page. Enjoy:


    What's even worse, is that message is frequently delivered, even if the superstar feuding with Cena has defeated him multiple time. Example, CM Punk. Has wrestling become so ridiculous that not even semi logic plays a role into the decision making?
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    Wisp955

    [88]Aug 23, 2012
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    Crulex1369 wrote:
    Wisp955 wrote:
    When does TNA come on again?
    Thursday's at 8 PM EST.


    Thank you.


    Raccoon1459 wrote:
    Wisp955 wrote:
    When does TNA come on again?
    You're just anxious to see it, aren't you?
    If it isn't obvious, my patience is wearing thin.

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